How much must the airlines be praying for this?
‘Scotty from Marketings’ handling of the bushfire crisis gives you an indication of how this issue will be handled - head in the sand, nothing to see here.....until it’s far too late.
Nothing of any substance is being done to prevent this virus from entering Australia, especially considering that the contagious period is when it’s likely that the patient is not showing any symptoms.
Having a few AQIS people meet aircraft to check if any people have a temperature or are showing flu like symptoms is nothing but window dressing.
This government doesn’t have the courage to act immediately in Australia’s interests. I’m under no illusions of the economic costs of stopping flights from China entering Australia - but one has to wonder, at what cost is the consequence of not implementing this course of action.
Nothing of any substance is being done to prevent this virus from entering Australia, especially considering that the contagious period is when it’s likely that the patient is not showing any symptoms.
Having a few AQIS people meet aircraft to check if any people have a temperature or are showing flu like symptoms is nothing but window dressing.
This government doesn’t have the courage to act immediately in Australia’s interests. I’m under no illusions of the economic costs of stopping flights from China entering Australia - but one has to wonder, at what cost is the consequence of not implementing this course of action.
There seems to be a reluctance to act against a certain racial group, when in fact that is coincidental to the geographical origins. Most of the cases are in one geographic pool. It makes sense to prevent all people from that pool entry into Australia. Other countries meanwhile are doing what they can easily do to delay reaching epidemic levels of the virus. Delay until a vaccine is available is the only thing we can do.
This is going to cost lots of money. The papers are full of economic hardship stories already, as if money trumps health. (In a rational world). I expect that Scumo is listening to many competing voices and will kowtow to his Chinese benefactors until it is too late anyway. Which, by now, it probably is.
I am reading frankly ignorant stories that the flu kills more people so worry isn’t needed. The flu kills less than 1 in a thousand people. This thing looks like it kills around 30/1000* and is more easily transmitted with zero herd immunity and a reproduction rate at least as virulent as the flu.
*the estimated CFR of 3% is really rough, and is based on a small sample of suspect numbers. I just read a paper full of calculus that concludes about 50 days are needed to really quantify CFR, although CFRs near 3% might take a bit less time.
This is going to cost lots of money. The papers are full of economic hardship stories already, as if money trumps health. (In a rational world). I expect that Scumo is listening to many competing voices and will kowtow to his Chinese benefactors until it is too late anyway. Which, by now, it probably is.
I am reading frankly ignorant stories that the flu kills more people so worry isn’t needed. The flu kills less than 1 in a thousand people. This thing looks like it kills around 30/1000* and is more easily transmitted with zero herd immunity and a reproduction rate at least as virulent as the flu.
*the estimated CFR of 3% is really rough, and is based on a small sample of suspect numbers. I just read a paper full of calculus that concludes about 50 days are needed to really quantify CFR, although CFRs near 3% might take a bit less time.
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Before people get too worked up about that and aircraft recirculating air etc, remember that the cabin air recirc filters are HEPA and equivalent to hospital operating standard for particulate filtering. Also air comes from overhead and out through the floor , so no fore aft air movement.
There is a genuine health concern for the few people around him and they should be quarantined, but not the whole aircraft.
Ps That’s for Airbus- can’t speak for Boeing. I do t know what type he flew on.
There is a genuine health concern for the few people around him and they should be quarantined, but not the whole aircraft.
Ps That’s for Airbus- can’t speak for Boeing. I do t know what type he flew on.
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Before people get too worked up about that and aircraft recirculating air etc, remember that the cabin air recirc filters are HEPA and equivalent to hospital operating standard for particulate filtering. Also air comes from overhead and out through the floor , so no fore aft air movement.
There is a genuine health concern for the few people around him and they should be quarantined, but not the whole aircraft.
Ps That’s for Airbus- can’t speak for Boeing. I do t know what type he flew on.
There is a genuine health concern for the few people around him and they should be quarantined, but not the whole aircraft.
Ps That’s for Airbus- can’t speak for Boeing. I do t know what type he flew on.
The WHO will belatedly admit today that it is actually a pandemic.
The way the virus behaves is not yet known.
It was only yesterday Australian shining light of intellect, Dan Tehan (Education Minister) claimed it was not transmissible person to person, despite confirmation that such transmission had occured in both Japan and Germany.
Don’t disagree. The asymptomatic transmissibility of this thing is of massive concern.
My post was designed to put some facts not fear into the perception of the relative risk in air travel versus that of any other public place.
My post was designed to put some facts not fear into the perception of the relative risk in air travel versus that of any other public place.
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If this thing is R>3, given now we have fourth generation transmission, it is going to take more than weasel words from the WHO and the village idiots in Canberra to stop it.
Of course, with Gerry Harvey, Highrise Harry and their slime ilk donating hand over fist, the borders will stay open and it will get every chance to have a GDP impact.
It is interesting that QF's Little Napoleon won't be front and centre leading from 1a, to retrieve Australia's evacuees, that will go to Christmas island err via Darwin.
Much better to talk about marriage equality and gender pronouns.
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The aircraft involved was a 737-800 VH-VUD and is currently out of service as of 1240 this afternoon
14 flights were conducted between when this pax was on the flight until today
14 flights were conducted between when this pax was on the flight until today
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HEPA filters are not particularly effective in filtering virus-sized particles. However, in my opinion, this is not particularly significant to this issue. Transmission may occur much more readily due to ingestion of airborne virus particles (aerosol droplets), person-to-person contact, and infected persons potentially contaminating contact surfaces that others are then in contact with.
Generally when these issues occur, the majority of mortalities are associated with elderly, very young and immuno-compromised persons, however there are usually small numbers of outliers that don’t fit into these groups. I commonly saw these patterns in a previous occupation.
Generally when these issues occur, the majority of mortalities are associated with elderly, very young and immuno-compromised persons, however there are usually small numbers of outliers that don’t fit into these groups. I commonly saw these patterns in a previous occupation.
short flights long nights
I know it’s too late, but I think they are really going to regret the reluctance to offend the Chinese, and not closing the borders.
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Lots of media feed about hospitals and cheering Chinese.
CNN posted a graphic comparing SARS to this thing.
They claimed the mortality rate was 2.2% and SARS 9.6%.
It is completely disingenuous as from time of diagnosis to death is seven to ten days with this thing. The death rates relate to known infections a week ago....
Chris Martenson does an excellent update.
His projections on a 40% diagnosis rate and around 20% requiring heavy medical support are a concern.
He isn't spreading misinformation, the data is at this point on the log scale, if it really gets exponential and even mutates, SARS was a mere head cold.
So presumably Qantas has a medical department, why haven't they told the little emperor of the risk to personnel and ceased flying?
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What is very concerning is that information is drying up.
Lots of media feed about hospitals and cheering Chinese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq3Y9rmlEQE
Lots of media feed about hospitals and cheering Chinese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq3Y9rmlEQE
For someone who goes on and on about Qantas IR shilling FUD you sure are doing plenty of it yourself, in every thread on this site that mentions coronavirus!
Zerohedge, Goldbug types like this shyster have been predicting the apocalypse since they could talk. If you want to spread some FUD at least pony up someone who doesn’t financially benefit from catastrophe.
Theres plenty of reason to be alarmed -and angry at Scomo, Joyce etc- without paying attention to blokes who constantly delight at the prospect of Armageddon.
Rated, I’m going to go out on a limb and say you’re safely ensconced in your bunker with some bullion in the corner. The rest of us with skin in the game aren’t in need of your predictive services. According to you those us getting QF payslips every fortnight should be unemployed by now!
Patty, whistling past the graveyard. Hope you are right but don’t think so.
The issue is not the death rate now when all of our hospitals are working with oxygen, intensive care and suchlike working, it’s the death rate when no hospital treatment is available at all due to the shear number of cases.........
.......and that is assuming we have enough healthy or recovered people to keep our infrastructure running.
The issue is not the death rate now when all of our hospitals are working with oxygen, intensive care and suchlike working, it’s the death rate when no hospital treatment is available at all due to the shear number of cases.........
.......and that is assuming we have enough healthy or recovered people to keep our infrastructure running.
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The WHO has now declared itPublic Health Emergency of International Concern is defined in the IHR (2005) as “an extraordinary event which is determined, as provided in these Regulations:
Will QF stop flying now?
- to constitute a public health risk to other States through the international spread of disease; and
- to potentially require a coordinated international response”. This definition implies a situation that: is serious, unusual or unexpected; carries implications for public health beyond the affected State’s national border; and may require immediate international action.
Will QF stop flying now?
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