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F100 - Overshot Runway at Newman Airport (9/1/2020)

Old 10th Jan 2020, 05:56
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From the photos it looks as though they have stopped in the RESA which shouldnít be a problem.

The RESA is designed for situations exactly like this. If the aerodrome is Part 139 Certified, which Iím sure it is I expect that there has been no damage to the aircraft and all that would be required is for the aircraft to be towed back to the apron and maybe have a LAME do an inspection on the aircraft to release it back into service.

Given the weather conditions, the crew done a good job in the challenging conditions. Lessons to be learnt, certainly yes however itís very unfair to only make judgment on the flight crew as their decision making would certainly have been influenced by commercial pressures.

Good outcome given the WX conditions in my opinion.

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Old 10th Jan 2020, 06:34
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Not sure how parking a jet in the dirt off the end of a runway after a failed landing can be classed as a good outcome
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 06:46
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Not sure how parking a jet in the dirt off the end of a runway after a failed landing can be classed as a good outcome]
Could’ve been worse!
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 07:04
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Doesnít appear to be damaged.

More than likely why the crew didnít elect to use the slides as it was probably only a very slow overrun into the RESA.

Pretty obvious that most commentators throwing their two bobs worth into here have absolutely no idea what a RESA is.



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Old 10th Jan 2020, 07:21
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A shame for Fort Fumble and its team of "angels" that the tail has the prominent brand emblazoned on it.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 07:25
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I'm with you Joe Tripodi, the RESA is for emergency use not routine poor landings. Newman is about 200m longer than the full factored LDR for a F25 wet runway landing in the Dutch oven, whilst I don't know all the extenuating circumstances, parking a jet in the mud is most definitely not a good result and I'm pretty sure most of the inhabitants of BS Castle would agree
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 07:29
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oh really?

Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
From the photos it looks as though they have stopped in the RESA which shouldnít be a problem.

The RESA is designed for situations exactly like this. If the aerodrome is Part 139 Certified, which Iím sure it is I expect that there has been no damage to the aircraft and all that would be required is for the aircraft to be towed back to the apron and maybe have a LAME do an inspection on the aircraft to release it back into service.

Given the weather conditions, the crew done a good job in the challenging conditions. Lessons to be learnt, certainly yes however itís very unfair to only make judgment on the flight crew as their decision making would certainly have been influenced by commercial pressures.

Good outcome given the WX conditions in my opinion.

Someone mentioned talk to your union if the pilots are members, I second that!
Yes duck, we can be comforted by the fact that 'given the weather conditions'...... hang on, should an approach even have been commenced?
Out west they use the RESA all the time matey, RPT Cat A jet transport aircraft are always nudging into that area, no problemo. And we can be almost guaranteed that the Qantas group exert massive amounts of commercial pressure on their crews - can't we?
Maybe we should just await the formal investigation, I'm sure they will confirm that use of the RESA is perfectly OK for this type of operation.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 07:56
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Never instigated that the RESA should be considered under any circumstances, however whatever occurred with regards to this incident obviously probably indicates that the RESA done itís job.

To state that the RESA is used regularly indicates that some people are stirring the pot (particularly on this forum), or some pilotís have absolutely no idea what the RESA is and what itís purpose is.

Should it ever be used under normal circumstances, NO! However it was with a good outcome. Do RPT pilots ever plan on using the RFFS at every aerodrome they fly into everyday? Donít think so! Same scenario.

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Old 10th Jan 2020, 08:11
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The biggest inconvenience is the muddy boots the pax ended up with! -)
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 09:08
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The biggest inconvenience is the muddy boots the pax ended up with! -)
A normal day up there in the wet!
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 09:40
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
The biggest inconvenience is the muddy boots the pax ended up with! -)
Looks like they didnít have far to walk off the aircraft and straight onto the buses!
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 18:22
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It's interesting because they still had the presence of mind to complete the required actions after what would have been a rather unsettling experience. A good quality to have for a pilot.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 23:31
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Did they leave the crew in Newman?

Assume the airport is still closed
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 00:03
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Is the runway grooved? Not clear from the supplied data.
If it is grooved, what is the maintenance schedule to clean the grooving? When was maintenance last conducted? Are there drainage issues during heavy rain? Was it therefore contaminated (>3mm water)? Is so, is it documented?
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 00:51
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No itís not grooved.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 01:00
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Originally Posted by geeup View Post
Did they leave the crew in Newman?

Assume the airport is still closed
Not sure about the crew but the airport re-opened yesterday or possibly Thursday night once they removed the aircraft from the runway. I am reliably informed it is parked safe and sound on the apron
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 02:44
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I know I'm stating the obvious, but it would have been an extremely challenging approach and landing for any pilot (in any aircraft) to say the least - 30+ kts of gusting crosswind (& associated turbulence & IAS fluctuations), together with low cloud & low vis. It doesn't get any more difficult than that except perhaps in the same conditions at night...

My thoughts are with the crew well & truly...

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Old 11th Jan 2020, 04:48
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom View Post
A normal day up there in the wet!

In the wet????

NEWMAN CLIMATE SUMMARY

The Newman lies on 546m above sea level Newman's climate is a desert one. There is virtually no rainfall all year long in Newman.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 05:08
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In the Wet !!!!! That's about the only unusual thing in Newman. The brakes aren't fantastic in the F100 before you start when she's heavy, combined with idle thrust reverse and the possibility of standing water on the runway, I can only empathise with that sinking feeling you get when you know and in this case, still a bit quick when the runway end arrives. No damage done, good on you for all the right things you did once you knew. Don't worry about those slagging off, as we say they are those that have and those that will.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 06:19
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This post in no critique of the individuals involved, rather more of a post about mine procurement.

Qantas have spent a lot of time and energy to convince the traveling public that contractors and subsidiary aircraft and crew are interchangeable. (Again this is not directed at crew)
At least one big industrialist refuses the subsidiary "interchange" and insists on Qantas registered and Qantas crew operated aircraft: Mines are dangerous places, risk mitigation is a prime focus.

From sources in the industry, there may well be a review of Qantas "light" services being operated into mine sites that have been sold as Qantas to the companies concerned.



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