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Old 24th Nov 2019, 12:50
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The clause prevents Qantas expanding a subsidiary and completely replacing mainline at cheaper costs.

Is there a clause in the JQ EA that prevents Qantas from going about itís business freely and increasing Networkís fleet of A320s and thus take over JQ flying? Suspect there isnít. Perhaps JQ pilots have more to worry about with Network A320s than mainline.
Was there such a clause for cabin crew and ground crew as well? The likes of QCCA and QGS subsidiaries taking over come to mind.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 13:04
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Originally Posted by A little birdie View Post


The clause prevents Qantas expanding a subsidiary and completely replacing mainline at cheaper costs.

Is there a clause in the JQ EA that prevents Qantas from going about itís business freely and increasing Networkís fleet of A320s and thus take over JQ flying? Suspect there isnít. Perhaps JQ pilots have more to worry about with Network A320s than mainline.
Are any other businesses in Australia hamstrung by such nonsense? I dare say not many
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 13:07
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Not going to receive the big pay rise outside of the QF group wages policy.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 22:13
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So, there are individuals in this thread who would prefer 700 Australian pilot jobs be replaced by 700 other pilot jobs, but with 1/3 the pay. Just so the QF guys get screwed. What great bunch of people we have here.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 22:21
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms View Post
So, there are individuals in this thread who would prefer 700 Australian pilot jobs be replaced by 700 other pilot jobs, but with 1/3 the pay. Just so the QF guys get screwed. What great bunch of people we have here.
Just mornoís standard anti-QF rhetoric. Itís getting tiring and boring
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 22:53
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Thereís always going to be that 1%. Everyone else is hoping that we can ALL improve our terms and conditions. The 1% can be a bit noisy though.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 23:22
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post

Just mornoís standard anti-QF rhetoric. Itís getting tiring and boring
Bit like Rated Deís ďLittle NapoleonĒ theme isnít it.....

Itís called a balanced view buddy, just because it doesnít agree with your point of view it doesnít mean itís Anti QF or anything like that.

Why is aviation special? What makes it any different to any other industry that you deserve special clauses to protect your jobs?
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 23:30
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
It’s called a balanced view buddy, just because it doesn’t agree with your point of view it doesn’t mean it’s Anti QF or anything like that.

Why is aviation special? What makes it any different to any other industry that you deserve special clauses to protect your jobs?

Sorry morno, I must have missed the existence of these special clause that protects jobs embedded in Qantas group EBA's. Perhaps you could please point out, preferably with references to the clauses in the documents.

Of course, there is the law of the Land, the Fair Work Act, which does indeed contain provisions against the transmission of business to prevent unscrupulous employers abusing their power. But that is an act of Parliament, not industrial negotiation.
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 00:50
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There was an A320 in Broome at lunchtime yesterday. That exact flight (Sunday Broome Lunch) used to be a B737. How are they allowed to do that?

Approx same number of pax, same size plane but cheaper crew
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 00:58
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There was an A320 in Broome at lunchtime yesterday. That exact flight (Sunday Broome Lunch) used to be a B737. How are they allowed to do that?

Approx same number of pax, same size plane but cheaper crew
A Network A320?
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 01:07
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This thread is embarrassing a couple of posters...maybe the 10th on this issue in recent times. FFS spend some time reviewing the FWA and get educated. Or ring your association/union if you canít be arsed.

The correct answer has been planted numerous times over the years explaining why Network, Cobham or any subsidiary has been able to grow. They may continue to grow. They may do routes traditionally done by Mainline. It doesnít mean the demise of Mainline or Jetstar.



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Old 25th Nov 2019, 03:01
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
There was an A320 in Broome at lunchtime yesterday. That exact flight (Sunday Broome Lunch) used to be a B737. How are they allowed to do that?

Approx same number of pax, same size plane but cheaper crew
Simple - it's part of a deal with the state government for cheaper fares - https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.a...-continue.aspx.

I may be wrong, but I understand that it operates in the JQ all-economy layout, so there is some increase in the number of seats against the 737.

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Old 25th Nov 2019, 04:48
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Transfer of business to reduce costs is all Australian airlines do now . Long gone are the days of building airlines into something great .
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