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Old 31st Oct 2019, 07:50
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As someone in the industry once said to me, he would blame the Kennedy Assassination on off shore maintenance if he could. Yes, I have known some remarkable engineers who I respect and none of them would have carried on with this sort of apparent sensationalism.
One cannot hang their hat on what the regulator says as being serious then advocate doing something the regulator hasn't insisted on.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 07:57
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Did Senior Management also have a pay freeze. Yes. Bang - point lost again - case dismissed.
The "pay freeze" to which you refer neglects the millions of options awarded to "management". The workforce were not awarded such largess.
Rather amazingly the vast majority of these options vested after the "confronting loss" which amounted to a write down (management timed) of the International fleet in FY14.

Amazingly, the options gifted at substantive discounts could be exercised at huge upside to the insiders. The pay freeze however stuck.


The underlying issue is that current accounting/tax rules essentially force an Australian airline to keep aircraft for 20 years otherwise they take a financial hit from retiring the aircraft early. It could be argued that by not purchasing more new aircraft now, Joyce is doing future management a very big favour by not lumbering them with ongoing depreciation costs for aircraft that may become obsolete/inefficient in less that the required 20 year life of the aircraft. He is allowing future management the flexibility to purchase the most efficient and suitable aircraft at that time.
They also took a "hit" or rather the employees did in FY14. The pay freezes stuck while the loss disappeared and insiders dined out on the "rebounding share price"
Qantas was asked in FY14 whether changes to depreciation schedules were warranted. Qantas did not consider change necessary. (www.aph.gov.au)

The current Capital expenditure requirements are increasing; the fleet is aging.
By delaying purchasing new aircraft management also benefit from some supercharged bonuses in the meantime with their resignation occurring just in time for fleet replacement.


Precisely the concern expressed by several analysts.

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Old 31st Oct 2019, 08:58
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$54m of bonuses were paid to non management staff who accepted the pay freeze. Another convenient missing fact!
Wow! Yes I'd overlooked the little over $2000 we received to offset the long-term impact of any pay freeze! $54million eh! That's a big number to share amongst 25,000 staff. Way more than the few million offered to one 'staff member' and the senior management who did it all by themselves with no help from the other 25,000!

To be honest any bonus/bribe that's been offered to non-executive staff since the freeze has been of so little relative consequence compared to the amounts being apportioned to executive staff. I really wouldn't care if I was never offered another bonus and saved the company having to manage a token Staff Travel offering, but I do get frustrated at an adversarial Industrial Relations culture where the groups that have so much to offer the company are treated with disdain.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 09:13
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Purvinas has got grievances going back years, at least to the shutdown in 2011. But he’s gone too far this time. Virgins B737-800 fleet is almost as big as the Qantas fleet. Shut both fleets down and domestic aviation and short-haul international stops. Isn’t going to happen. Corporate lawyers are salivating.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 09:32
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Originally Posted by George Glass View Post
Purvinas has got grievances going back years, at least to the shutdown in 2011. But he’s gone too far this time. Virgins B737-800 fleet is almost as big as the Qantas fleet. Shut both fleets down and domestic aviation and short-haul international stops. Isn’t going to happen. Corporate lawyers are salivating.
Maybe you could expand a little on the corporate lawyers are salivating for me? Why?
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 10:05
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Disseminating false information with the intent to harm a business. If you are who you say you are you should be aware that this sort of BS from you and the TWU precipitated the shutdown in 2011. That was a really stupid overreaction by management but it was even dummer tactics by unions that caused it. If you think you can get away with this sort of irresponsible grandstanding you are wrong. Remember that the shut down hurt a lot of people with long memories. And no, I’m not a management troll, just a line driver that cant understand why unions never learn. Hope you’ve got good legal advice.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 10:21
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5000 jobs

Originally Posted by JamieMaree View Post
“I have to wonder who the own goal kicker is really representing?. New aircraft = less maintenance whilst older aircraft = more maintenance = more work for the people he represents.”
It is a pathetic attempted payback for having his a*se well and truly kicked in 2011 and the subsequent loss of in the order of 5000 engineering jobs.
Looks like this expert knows as much as the mouth piece on the media trail today telling everyone it was only a small component that had been found with a 1 inch crack. Is that a replaceable component?,please tell us more😂.
Whilst you are at it,maybe you can tell us where the 5000 jobs in engineering were lost,the truth is Steve Purvinas saved the jobs of EVERYONE,so again,please enlighten us all as to where the 5000 jobs were lost from!



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Old 31st Oct 2019, 11:16
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 11:29
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 11:44
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I’m sure its all a big chuckle if you don’t have a dog in the fight.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 12:23
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
VA does ALL its maintenance off shore and never a peep about that.
Funny, I was working on a couple of VA aircraft this week, at an Australian port...
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 12:37
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 13:16
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So has this crappy news piece done more harm than good to the LAME EBA negotiations. I know he means well but I cringe listening to him talk in the media.

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Old 31st Oct 2019, 17:48
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Originally Posted by JamieMaree View Post
The legend tells lies and is a distorter of the facts. From tonight’s news quoting him
” as the FAA says this could cause loss of control and Qantas shouldn’t be flying them” unquote
Except he didn’t say the FAA he said “... the Federal Airworthiness Authority...”
How does someone like him who has an opinion on everything get that wrong... Federal Aviation Administration... some lack of attention to detail right there.

This guy just gives the impression if Qantas said the tails of the affected aircraft were red, he’d insist they were green...
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 20:16
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Red face It’s only human nature...

Qantas management have done so much to deride, antagonise, be obtuse with using double standards & selective facts against most segments of their work-force. It doesn’t really surprise me that, in an unfortunate development like these pickle forks cracks, there has been a response “in kind”.

Regrettable? Sure. Is there a different/better way? Possibly.... but you reap what is sown. Engagement anyone?



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Old 31st Oct 2019, 21:09
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Originally Posted by Jetsbest View Post
Qantas management have done so much to deride, antagonise, be obtuse with using double standards & selective facts against most segments of their work-force. It doesn’t really surprise me that, in an unfortunate development like these pickle forks cracks, there has been a response “in kind”.

Regrettable? Sure. Is there a different/better way? Possibly.... but you reap what is sown. Engagement anyone?
The modern management suite is full of combative terms, aggressive tone and at the core is the management theory, pumped out by business schools that the only way to contain labour unit cost is aggressively.
When airlines, a very people dependent business and this style of management come together, it is axiomatic that the response will be delivered in kind.

October 2011 was designed to strike fear and doubt into employees, irrespective of the cost.

There are notable exceptions to this "model" .

“A company is stronger if it is bound by love rather than by fear.” – Herb Kelleher
That Little Napoleon is an active participant in an aggressive and adversarial management approach is no surprise.
Qantas had a real opportunity to change the way it engages its workforce, however the confluence of two defective characters (Clifford and Joyce) and an industrial landscape ripe for testing meant the relationship deteriorated even further.
Little Napoleon can surround himself with IR, flank himself with security and get whisked from the basement to home with security mapping his every move, but the fish rots from the head.


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Old 31st Oct 2019, 23:13
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Joyce and Co are doing the usual, using speech such as ‘minor crack’, ‘hairline crack’ etc, not telling the public how hairline cracks can turn into major cracks and even Hull losses. Although unrelated to an extent, research American Airlines Flight 191 and Aloha Airlines Flight 243. Both accidents started with ‘hairline cracks’. Yes - different accidents and a different root cause for how and why the cracks occurred, but it still started with a crack.

Purvinas isn’t in the business of ‘selling seats’ and spinning stories. His business is aircraft engineering and maintenance. I would listen to him over the spin doctors at QF any day. The outcome of this will be fine - inspections and audits completed, remedies out in place, parts replaced/repaired, everyone soldiers on. But a reasonable person could question whether an ageing fleet is part of a broader problem. And there is no doubt in my mind that Joyce is keeping the Rat’s head treading just above water. He will retire, fly off into the sunset with his husband and leave behind an airline which looks great on paper but below the surface is a financial disaster just waiting to happen.
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 01:14
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Wooooooo!!!
The wings are going to fall off, the wings are going to fall off!!!
F&*^%$ ground everything!!!
Immediately!!!
Runs panicking down the hallway, arms flailing everywhere...
Thanks - but I'll believe the calm and credible lady in the uniform on the telly last night who repeated the detail from the AD.
Oh - right, I forgot - she's a company stooge, or even worse, management...?
And I'm a troll...?
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 01:30
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Nope.
Just a tool!
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 01:50
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Tartare, any with cracks are to be grounded immediately. Boeing has yet to come up with a repair scheme, so the grounding could be lengthy.. Qantas doesn’t want to look for cracks earlier than the AD specifies because it would be very inconvenient to find them early. That is what Purvinas is angling at. Inspection apparently takes about an hour.

‘’The AD specifies 7 days for high time aircraft and within about 4 months (1000 cycles) for low time aircraft from my reading of the AD.

‘As for Qantas commitment to safety, don’t make me laugh. My bet is that repairs will be subcontracted overseas.
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