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Alliance appear to be doing well with their all Fokker fleet. Shareholders have been well rewarded over the past 5 years. It looks like they even have a F70 fitted out like a VIP aircraft for charters.

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Alliance appear to be doing well with their all Fokker fleet. Shareholders have been well rewarded over the past 5 years. It looks like they even have a F70 fitted out like a VIP aircraft for charters.
They have most certainly benefited from poor decision making at fellow carriers resulting in work being thrown at them here there and everywhere. Cough....Virgin.....Cough....

Incompetence at certain carriers shows no signs of slowing down so things no doubt things will continue booming...
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Sir Dennis Buchanan had a keen eye for the market and opportunity. An all Fokker fleet in Queensland prospering today is in part due his understanding of the region and the market.
Although Flight West ceased operations the company exists under another tail and appears capably led and serves well its intended market.
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A mate of mine works at Alliance. He describes Virgin as the equivalent of winning lotto for Alliance. Nobody could have imagined it in their wildest dreams.
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They were advertising for Pilots recently, might be attractive for a cashed up late 50s expat who’s sick of the ME/Asia and wants to come home.
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What happens if Virgin sorts their shit out?

Unlikely to happen but possible.
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From what mates in the operation are saying, they also have their own FIFO and tourist charter work and are looking to expand their market reach in the coming year, so not totally dependent on Virgin et al...

Once my exisiting bond is up, I'll be applying...
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If you want progression you won't beat Alliance or VARA F100.
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Originally Posted by B772 View Post
It looks like they even have a F70 fitted out like a VIP aircraft for charters.
I think that Fokker belonged to the Dutch Royal Family and was bought last year fully VIP equipped.
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Originally Posted by geeup View Post
What happens if Virgin sorts their shit out?

Unlikely to happen but possible.
The funniest thing I've read on PPRuNe in long long time.......
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I think that Fokker belonged to the Dutch Royal Family and was bought last year fully VIP equipped.
Correct,

There's also a F100 in VIP config but I think it's stored at YMEN.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 09:22
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F100 Captain - $122,675
F100 F/O - $82,819
Are these figures their current pay rates? A little on the low side if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by VH DSJ View Post
Are these figures their current pay rates? A little on the low side if you ask me.
Maybe rostering is good, quality of life good, a happy crew to work with, no back of the clock flights, good management team.... money isnít everything. Self worth, self fulfilment and sleeping in your own bed count for a lot. Ask any CX, EK pilot.
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The Fokkers are getting old though and more expensive to maintain. Luckily Alliance did buy some to part out but that can't last forever. Some of the Alliance market, apart from their own FIFO, is flying for VARA when the VARA F100s are tech which seems to be quite often. At some stage Alliance will have to start replacing aircraft as the miners want newer types, replacing a whole fleet of Fokkers is going to be expensive.
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Just wondering what you'd replace them with?
What's in ready international supply, older so depreciated and cheap(er) to buy but with proven reliability and fits the bottom line?
Or is there another "niche" type in limited supplies but being run out by major airlines at a discount like the B717/F100 are/were??

737-5? A319? JungleJet variants?

Interesting exercise.
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I can understand the argument supporting 20 to 30 yr old aircraft for FIFO due to the lack of utilisation, but not for thin RPT runs. The US airlines don't use clapped out jets.
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Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
I can understand the argument supporting 20 to 30 yr old aircraft for FIFO due to the lack of utilisation, but not for thin RPT runs. The US airlines don't use clapped out jets.
What are you on about? The big 3 have some ancient planes.

Allegiant is apparently the most consistently profitable airline in the US, nearly all of their planes second hand and only got rid of the last of their 30+ year old MD-80s late last year.
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patty50, I was talking the 2nd tier, like Skywest etc. Have a relative now with Delta who was SWA 'til 18 mths ago. They're not flying 30 yrs old F100s, neither is United Express and same with American, all ERJs or CRJs with the possibility of C220s coming, I think.
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Originally Posted by VH DSJ View Post
Are these figures their current pay rates? A little on the low side if you ask me.
I thought the same, cant find the post now? Something fishy about that!
I wouldn't get out of bed for those $$$$ as a Capt! I know Uni lecturers making better money & they don't have to worry about killing hundreds on any one day whilst on the job!
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
I thought the same, cant find the post now? Something fishy about that!
I wouldn't get out of bed for those $$$$ as a Capt! I know Uni lecturers making better money & they don't have to worry about killing hundreds on any one day whilst on the job!
Get your hand off it Darrel.

Poor choice of words perhaps.....

Hopefully killing people is not on any pilots mind.
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