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Old 15th Sep 2018, 13:36
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‘Home Handyman Maintenance’

Moving the work from Philippines to Singapore is hardly going to solve the problem.

Virgin Australia has ended its heavy maintenance contract with a Philippines-based company because its budget arm Tigerair Australia had to ground one of its B737 jets for three weeks after it was returned from maintenance work with serious undetected faults.
The facility is owned by Singapore Airlines.

When the jet returned to Melbourne, Tigerair engineers discovered work that was "home handyman" standard, according to Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association federal secretary Steve Purvinas, with unsecured components and wires connected to the wrong terminals.

Another fault was a flight attendant's seatbelt not properly bolted to the seat.

Overseas maintenance providers need to be certified by Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA), which is working with the airline and SIA Engineering Philippines (SIAEP) to "ensure that the high standards of Australian aviation safety are maintained".

A spokeswoman for SIAEP said the company was "working closely with Tigerair Australia to understand the issues reported on one of their Boeing 737 aircraft".
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Reminds m of the time when a member of the ALEAA crossed the wiring on one of our company Metros after a major inspection and the test flight nearly wound up in a smoking hole off the end of the runway at Bankstown.

Many duplicate inspections and they still got it wrong
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Old 15th Sep 2018, 23:30
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TBM-Legebd you probably shouldn't have Al Bundy working on your Metros as i don't think a shoe salesman is qualified to do the work. I bet he had a badass pair of ballet shoes on why he did the work but
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But $afety is the number one priority!
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That’s all that’s in the budget after a 600+ million dollar loss
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This should definitely position MM as the front runner for future CEO of Virgin.
With her superior Aviation knowledge based decisions such as this, her appointment should be a mere formality!
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Don't blame Virgin, CASA sits idly by while Aussie airlines cut corners with cheap and dodgy maintenance. A regulator with a spine would ground anything that has been maintained in the Philippines.
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Here you go again. Australia best at this best at that. Remember your only a remote socialist Island in the SouthWest Pacific. Tens of thousands of Jet Transports flying around the world with their foreign dodgy maintenance ? If the Maintenance was so bad from the Philippine EASA/FAA Maintenance facility one should be asking who were the " AUSTRALIAN MAINTENANCE REPS ". Australia will always be a backwater with little man syndrome. There should only be one Airline Qantas you cannot manage anything else look what happened when there were 4 banks hahaha... 3rd World Muppet land.
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Here you go again. Australia best at this best at that. Remember your only a remote socialist Island in the SouthWest Pacific. Tens of thousands of Jet Transports flying around the world with their foreign dodgy maintenance ? If the Maintenance was so bad from the Philippine EASA/FAA Maintenance facility one should be asking who were the " AUSTRALIAN MAINTENANCE REPS ". Australia will always be a backwater with little man syndrome. There should only be one Airline Qantas you cannot manage anything else look what happened when there were 4 banks hahaha... 3rd World Muppet land.
Categorical proof that drinking at lunchtime, and poor adult literacy aren’t a pretty sight.

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Categorical proof that drinking at lunchtime, and poor adult literacy aren’t a pretty sight.
Seems to be a logical summation.
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Old 16th Sep 2018, 22:23
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
Don't blame Virgin, CASA sits idly by while Aussie airlines cut corners with cheap and dodgy maintenance. A regulator with a spine would ground anything that has been maintained in the Philippines.
To be fair - The report is implicates SIA Engineering Philippines, which is obviously different from Lufthansa Technic Philippines (LTP) and not involved in this.

One of my previous employers Airbuses went to LTP for C checks and above, and after the initial difficulties of a new contract, they did start producing some good work with very few issues. But, it depends on what level of oversight you put in place. We had a team of guys based there for all checks to keep an eye on things, but we did that for all outsourced checks no matter where they were carried out in the world.

Not had any dealings with SIAEP, but I have had dealings with SIA/SIAEC...........wasn't overly impressed and can't say I'm too surprised by the report!
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My first question would be, were there ANY Tigerair/Virgin engineers (be they LAMES or unlicenced engineers) present to oversee this check? And if not, then who, and what was their qualifications?

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BA A380 major checks done there with no problems it seems. After maintenance, positioned to Sin and flown back on a scheduled service to LHR. One of the most reliable and utilised aircraft in the fleet.
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 20:40
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Ahhhhh.....excuse me, but MY "home handyman" work is always done very professionally, whether I'm fixing a tap or mowing my lawns 😂
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A building inspector once rightly suggested that my under-floor plumbing was DIY. “No plumber would put a copper saddle on every joist, let alone use copper nails” So yeah, this story gives some home handymen a bad name.

More to the point: Serious airlines have resident company engineers at the actual factory where their aircraft are actually made. Why the hell would you not do likewise at an offshore MRO? Since all maintenance contracts are awarded on a cost basis why would you seriously expect the lowest bidder to always do the most correct (and hence costly) thing when no one was watching, given what we all know about human nature?

Perhaps “Trust, but verify” is too far in the past to inform managers who have only a degree in business administration and no ability in actual business leadership?

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Serious airlines
I don’t think you can really use the words “Serious airline” and “Tigerair” in the same sentence!
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 23:21
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Australia will always be a backwater with little man syndrome. There should only be one Airline Qantas you cannot manage anything else look what happened when there were 4 banks hahaha... 3rd World Muppet land.
I have a banking background. During the depths of the GFC (caused by dodgy banking practices in the US largely) - there were only 10 banks worldwide that maintained the maximum 3 star rating - our big 4 banks were 4 of that 10. But - don't let facts get in the way of your rant.
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I have a banking background. During the depths of the GFC (caused by dodgy banking practices in the US largely) - there were only 10 banks worldwide that maintained the maximum 3 star rating - our big 4 banks were 4 of that 10. But - don't let facts get in the way of your rant.
Don't pay any attention to 4-holer: He ran afoul of some oztranaut checker years ago and ended up flying some piece of sh*t DC-8 outta Miami. Miami of all places! Hardly the paragon of virtue in the civilization hall-of-fame. But stand your ground*, 4-
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*look up “stand your ground” Florida gun laws. Its like Mogadishu without the local flair.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 00:35
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Would imagine there would have been a Tech Rep or equivalent overseeing the maintenance input. But how many and what was their responsibilities?

Some airlines send reasonably large teams, technical, materials and commercial people to these inputs, others just send the bare minimum (even just one) so potentially they have to be a jack of all trades.

From personal experience doing checks on your own is a mammoth undertaking and whilst I set boundaries with the MRO to witness close up inspections, be out when functional tests are being performed and witness final engine runs etc, you cannot be everywhere 24/7 during however long the input is. Not trying to justify anything but if there was only one Tech Rep onsite then there is absolutely no chance they can keep a full eye out on the maintenance being performed when having to deal with everything else.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 11:24
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Evening all.....

Oh- dear......

Shall just leave the 'User Name' here..........., cannot rebut any of the above- are 'these' airframes VH registered.....?????

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