QF in the OZ paper today
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Everyone contributing to this thread is going around in circles, hold your horses.
Nobody knows what's actually written in rhe alleged report.
Eveeyone has to wait and see what lead to these circumstances and what's alleged to have been said.
All the facts please!
Also, who is this neighbour, their age, proffession, and relationship with the pilot?
Its an terrible situation for any person to be subjected to.
Really need to wait and see, the whole story.
Nobody knows what's actually written in rhe alleged report.
Eveeyone has to wait and see what lead to these circumstances and what's alleged to have been said.
All the facts please!
Also, who is this neighbour, their age, proffession, and relationship with the pilot?
Its an terrible situation for any person to be subjected to.
Really need to wait and see, the whole story.
But that's the scary part Seagull. If it wasn't for this pilot luckily coming across the infornation, it's confidentiality would have meant the facts, and answers to all your questions, would have never come out.
That's the heart of the issue.
That's the heart of the issue.
The pilot is also a lawyer and I understand there is quite some police history between the two - history that all relates favourably to the pilot.
Unfortunately its the pilot who is unable to work at the moment. I assume he is still being paid a base salary but he is missing out on the overtime and allowances. I wonder whether it would worthwhile paying a psychologist for an hour consultation for a mental health checkup and be certified healthy in the same way we have to pay for an ECG to assess the state of our heart. At least if there is an anonymous complaint you already have a Dr's assessment that you don't have a mental health issue.
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It would be of immense value if the litigation exposes a woeful lack of due process by the regulator
Separate from the issue of QF finding out, how does he know it was the neighbour who complained to CASA? Is it not a "confidential and anonymous" reporting system? Is he making an assumption based on 'who else could it have been?' What sort of anonymous reporting system identifies and records those who report?
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He is in possession of a copy of the report. CASA are pursuing legal avenues to have him return it. Someone must have his interest at heart to pass it on, good for them for doing something against this rapacious and inept organisation. Am I allowed to fly a lighty yet if the temp exceeds 40°C?
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He is in possession of a copy of the report. CASA are pursuing legal avenues to have him return it. Someone must have his interest at heart to pass it on, good for them for doing something against this rapacious and inept organisation. Am I allowed to fly a lighty yet if the temp exceeds 40°C?
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He is in possession of a copy of the report. CASA are pursuing legal avenues to have him return it. Someone must have his interest at heart to pass it on, good for them for doing something against this rapacious and inept organisation. Am I allowed to fly a lighty yet if the temp exceeds 40°C?
CASA could have simply suspended the medical certificate. They did not.
It would appear axiomatically that there are elements within both the regulatory and flight operations body that view this draconian overreach as very much against the interests of aviation safety. An otherwise anonymous and unreliable witnesses can cut down a professional pilot without any regard given to the motivation, qualification or history of the complainant.
Justice is served by open process, not dystopian bureaucracy.
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Agreed.
CASA could have simply suspended the medical certificate. They did not.
It would appear axiomatically that there are elements within both the regulatory and flight operations body that view this draconian overreach as very much against the interests of aviation safety. An otherwise anonymous and unreliable witnesses can cut down a professional pilot without any regard given to the motivation, qualification or history of the complainant.
Justice is served by open process, not dystopian bureaucracy.
CASA could have simply suspended the medical certificate. They did not.
It would appear axiomatically that there are elements within both the regulatory and flight operations body that view this draconian overreach as very much against the interests of aviation safety. An otherwise anonymous and unreliable witnesses can cut down a professional pilot without any regard given to the motivation, qualification or history of the complainant.
Justice is served by open process, not dystopian bureaucracy.
what makes you think CASA didn’t suspend his medical certificate? The article says “licence” but I wouldn’t place any credence on that. I doubt the reporter would know the technical difference.
Normally, the medical is suspended pending further evidence.
In a past case which is very similar, it involved requiring the pilot to attend a shrink to be assessed as not having the mental issues he was reported as having.
He spent the next 5 years highly affronted, refusing to see a shrink and taking failed legal action, mostly without pay. He was then terminated for not fulfilling his contract of employment. He didn’t ever fly as a pilot again.
All his mates and his union were egging him on and assuring him that the legal way would succeed. His mates and his union indirectly aided and abetted CASA in destroying his piloting career.
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He is in possession of a copy of the report.
Okiara, if you cannot legally have it, you can't use it to mount your case.
Traffic etc.... https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/web...safe-behaviour.
What is extraordinary is that there are two check buttons, one for "Health concerns about a pilot" and the other for everything else....
Traffic etc.... https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/web...safe-behaviour.
What is extraordinary is that there are two check buttons, one for "Health concerns about a pilot" and the other for everything else....
what makes you think CASA didn’t suspend his medical certificate? The article says “licence” but I wouldn’t place any credence on that. I doubt the reporter would know the technical difference.
Normally, the medical is suspended pending further evidence.
In a past case which is very similar, it involved requiring the pilot to attend a shrink to be assessed as not having the mental issues he was reported as having.
He spent the next 5 years highly affronted, refusing to see a shrink and taking failed legal action, mostly without pay. He was then terminated for not fulfilling his contract of employment. He didn’t ever fly as a pilot again.
All his mates and his union were egging him on and assuring him that the legal way would succeed. His mates and his union indirectly aided and abetted CASA in destroying his piloting career.
Okiara, if you cannot legally have it, you can't use it to mount your case.
Administrative torture is not a prosecution. There are no rules of evidence in the administrative torture process.
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If he wants to save his piloting career, do exactly what CASA asks him to do to deal with the accusation tht he is not really the person that the person who put in the CAIR report alleges.
OR
He can sue the pants off whoever he chooses, appeal his position through the various avenues of the legal system that are available to him to clear his name.
if he wants his job back, I recommend the former.
If he wants to clear his name, revenge, get back at his neighbour or any thing else, choose the latter.
he can’t have both.
The former has a good chance of success.
The latter, he has a better chance of winning the $50 million lotto.
OR
He can sue the pants off whoever he chooses, appeal his position through the various avenues of the legal system that are available to him to clear his name.
if he wants his job back, I recommend the former.
If he wants to clear his name, revenge, get back at his neighbour or any thing else, choose the latter.
he can’t have both.
The former has a good chance of success.
The latter, he has a better chance of winning the $50 million lotto.
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So what do you suggest the pilot should have done? Capitulate in the face of such an outrageous denial of natural justice? Given how gutless most of the pilot population is, and given their propensity to scramble over the carcasses of their colleagues to get a job, you’re probably correct: Capitulation is probably the only practical option. Bollocks.
Administrative torture is not a prosecution. There are no rules of evidence in the administrative torture process.
Administrative torture is not a prosecution. There are no rules of evidence in the administrative torture process.
Also agree that CASA's insistence to invalidate possession of the said documents is bollocks, the court may well see it differently.
Some time ago now, witnessed by me, so not a second hand story.
The then DAS/CEO in a meeting with the then Minister, the subject CASA treatment of an investigation, as investigator, judge, jury and executioner.
In answer to a direct question by said Minister, the DAS/CEO reply: "But, Minister, if I had to have proof, I would need another hundred investigators".
Aroa, who posts here, can tell you all about CASA "investigative procedures".
Tootle pip!!