QANTAS long haul EBA

[The Green Goblin]

All they have to do to crew the links is start all new hires there, before bidding out to the other divisions.

Yes there’s a training cost, but it’s cheaper than not flying at all.

I’d take a dash command in a base of my choice than a jet command in an undesirable one. Most would.

[crosscutter]

Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

I’d take a dash command in a base of my choice than a jet command in an undesirable one. Most would.

I guess that explains the stampede of people rushing to do their 737 commands in Syd and Mel

[knobbycobby]

Actually not afraid of getting locked out. This time around It would be unlikely to go to a
full bench determination either.
Even if it did the Fair Work Determination was a great one for pilots.
It was the Long Haul contract with some sensible efficiencies for the Company that were tolerable.
Fair Work make great negotiators. Judges Might actually take into account the hazardous nature of multiple 23 hour tours of duty from one side of the planet to the other.

[theheadmaster]

Is that the same Fair Work that has just been stacked by the liberal government with employer friendly Commissioners?

[neville_nobody]

Originally Posted by Keg

The compay’s Biggest problem is ensuring that the pay rates remain good enough to attract the right kind of trainee into the industry. The QLinks and others are short of crew is because the reward simply isn’t worth the cost to join the industry. I wonder how many more years it will take the airlines to work this out.

Executives do not care one iota about pilot standards nor pilot career path. They care about executive salary and executive career paths and will always look after their proteges but will not take the same stance with pilots. They will get Acts of Parliament changed before they will give Australian Pilots anything resembling a career path within in an airline.

The reason for this is executives are petrified of being held to ransom by the pilot body. If there was one point of entry into an airline, in the case of QF being QantasLink and people moved around beyond that and had a career path, then that will give leverage to the pilot group. The pilots in one union could shutdown the airline. As a result they create a stream of sub contractors to play off each other and I would suggest that QANTAS Executive Management would rather go broke running that strategy than give Australian Pilots anything resembling a career path within the airline.

On saying that all the US Airlines have caved in on this strategy as the writing is on the wall over there, however since Australian politicians are really not interested in representing Australian Citizens, there will be plenty of foreign pilots working here before any sort of career path will be even considered by an airline.

[hotnhigh]

One only has to look at the stark contrast between the multi million dollar refurb of hq, with the latte sipping venues and big screens in the street on campus, to be filled with images of the grand leader, to that across the way to the sim building, where the only thing replaced in the last 10 years has been the dunny rolls.
And they are the glad wrap variants.
Pilots are the enemy.

[Chocks Away]

...the enemy yes BUT the core of the company's income generation!
Disgraceful how those in "The Art Gallery" dismiss that so readily.

[dragon man]

Be warned despite a vote and undertakings to not visit revisit this again AIPA are pushing the squirrel cage for all fleets and ranks. To those of you that don’t believe me ask the AIPA president to give you a written undertaking that it is not so.

[blow.n.gasket]

Originally Posted by dragon man

AIPA are pushing the squirrel cage for all fleets and ranks.

At least that will make it easier to absorb and not disadvantage the great unwashed from the amazing business entity when they have to be absorbed into the Mothership after the Great Deleverage occurs next year .

[Rated De]

The reason for this is executives are petrified of being held to ransom by the pilot body. If there was one point of entry into an airline, in the case of QF being QantasLink and people moved around beyond that and had a career path, then that will give leverage to the pilot group. The pilots in one union could shutdown the airline. As a result they create a stream of sub contractors to play off each other and I would suggest that QANTAS Executive Management would rather go broke running that strategy than give Australian Pilots anything resembling a career path within the airline.

That is precisely correct.
With cult like fundamentalism seeping the corridors of Coward Street, Waterside and Cathay Pacific City, the last thing they would ever do is provide a career path.
For with industrial harmony, happy 'contributing' people, the floors of dark art practitioners would lose their raison d'etre

[V-Jet]

For with industrial harmony, happy 'contributing' people, the floors of dark art practitioners would lose their raison d'etre

Here spaketh The Aviation Lord of Piloting Voices.

[Beer Baron]

Despite undertakings to not visit revisit this again AIPA are pushing the squirrel cage for all fleets and ranks.

Where were these undertakings written or spoken or did you make them up?

[dragon man]

Originally Posted by Beer Baron

Where were these undertakings written or spoken or did you make them up?

No, I plucked them out of my ar#e

[cloudsurfng]

Outstanding. Good to see something for the many rather than the few. I hope it’s true. Hopefully it will be included as part of a package that is acceptable, and the super senior idiots who think they have the right to f*&k everyone over in leave, trips, pay, whatever, can see how the rest of us live, or piss off to Victorville with one of the 747’s. You need less votes to run a country than to even dare rock the boat of the super entitled. There are enough new crew, and 737 crew that have gone across to LH to ensure any fair rostering systems gets the go ahead. About time.

[Beer Baron]

No, I plucked them out of my ar#e

Given the compelling evidence you have presented, it would appear so.

[dragon man]

It came from one committee member and was confirmed by a base manager. You will also find that it was discussed at Tuesday’s AIPAs committee meeting.

[Beer Baron]

I was on committee during the vote and no such assurance was discussed. Once the result came in there was a push from some quarters to do an immediate re-vote on certain fleets with a 50% hurdle. However, the majority view was that this would not be appropriate outside an EBA.
As I recall, there was no understanding that this was a one-time and one-time only vote.

[Derfred]

Originally Posted by Beer Baron

I was on committee during the vote and no such assurance was discussed. Once the result came in there was a push from some quarters to do an immediate re-vote on certain fleets with a 50% hurdle. However, the majority view was that this would not be appropriate outside an EBA.
As I recall, there was no understanding that this was a one-time and one-time only vote.

And it wouldn’t be appropriate for a committee to make any assurance that would bind future committees, would it?

[Capt Colonial]

Originally Posted by Beer Baron

I was on committee during the vote and no such assurance was discussed. Once the result came in there was a push from some quarters to do an immediate re-vote on certain fleets with a 50% hurdle. However, the majority view was that this would not be appropriate outside an EBA.
As I recall, there was no understanding that this was a one-time and one-time only vote.

As with all Committees and Boards, if statements or assurances are not written down or recorded (in the minutes) then they don’t exist in reality,regardless of personal reflection. Thus a check of the minutes (and Newsletters) of that AIPA meeting and the PSN outcome might/would clarify the matter, one way or another.

[blow.n.gasket]

Sounds a bit like the Brexit vote !
If you don’t like the result , keep pushing for a new vote until you get the result that you want , simples !