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Old 31st Jul 2018, 08:16
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I understand Ross and Doug mayl be transferred back to Australia sometime in the next few weeks and that Lyndal has been discharged from hospital.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 08:25
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Ripper, bewdy, bonza! Travelling for next six weeks or so but will log in whenever i can get wifi, to catch up on the latest. Thanks roundsounds.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 09:00
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That is good news.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 12:54
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I understand Ross and Doug mayl be transferred back to Australia sometime in the next few weeks and that Lyndal has been discharged from hospital.
Without wishing to put a dampener on positive news, but just wondering how you transport critically injured persons from South Africa to Australia. No doubt the Insurance company weights up the continuing cost of medical treatment in South Africa verses transport costs to Australia.

Something to consider when venturing far from home! Travel Insurance!

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Old 1st Aug 2018, 05:25
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Medivac Jet - easy!
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 06:57
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Medivac Jet - easy!
Insurance companies are ruthlessly mercenary and hard-headed. They up for a lot of costs while their insured are receiving care off-shore but once they can get them back here, the insurance ends and the taxpayer through Medicare picks up the costs (or private health insurance if that's an option). Insurers do their damnedest to minimise their costs and get the patients back to Oz as quickly as they can. I wonder how much pressure they apply to the medical profession?
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 07:00
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
Medivac Jet - easy!


Folks,
Qantas has "bolt-in" modules for carrying very seriously injured persons confined to a stretcher, including self-contained oxygen and various power supplies with plugs for various equipment.
Carrying badly injured persons is relatively common, it is not cheap, but neither is a medevac aircraft.
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PS: Why can't I spell "medivac" (sic) the way I think it should be??
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 07:37
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Yep the bolt in modules take out 9 revenue seats from memory (maybe more).

A medevac jet would need to go the long way around no doubt, unless there is a something longer range. In the region I’ve seen the CL605 with around a 7 hour range.

I wonder if QF would assist with these gentlemen? Then it would only be a medevac jet to Joburg, I haven’t followed exactly where they are.

Good luck and get well soon fellow aviators.

edited - yes the site is changing “medivac” to medevac when saving?
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 08:14
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I think you will find and it’s a personal opinion only that Qantas will help out. There is I am told reliably no insurance.
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 08:30
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
Yep the bolt in modules take out 9 revenue seats from memory (maybe more).
Global,
Sound about right, per stretcher, plus seats for the medical attendants.
I sincerely hope they do have travel insurance that sticks, otherwise there going to be an urgent need for a cloud/crowd funding effort.
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 08:32
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Qantas Pilots have been known to be tight with their cash :-( but in this case I have no doubt that the money will not be a problem.
They are both held in extremely high regard as examples of professional pilots, trainers and absolute gentlemen.
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 08:33
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That's why we charge 9 full Y fares!

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Old 8th Aug 2018, 00:57
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Returning to Australia

An article in the Australian newspaper reporting Ross and Doug are to be flown back to Australia for further treatment by QF soon.

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Old 8th Aug 2018, 01:15
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 03:52
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They are coming back probably in the next ten days. I spoke to a pilot who saw them in hospital Doug is responding with hand squeezes Ross is still critical.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 04:30
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Prelim report

http://www.caa.co.za/Accidents%20and...rts/ZS-BRV.pdf
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 10:34
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Unfortunately not a good read...
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 11:04
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No ..that’s a terrible prelim!!
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 13:11
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I once had a disagreement with a friend. The issue was that another friend had pranged doing aeros with fatal results for both pilot and passenger. I dared to suggest that, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, he had probably ballsed it up somehow. My friend was incensed that I would say such a thing. My opinion was, and still is, that none of us are so good that we can't balls it up. Having accepted that, the goal is then to try and work out why a well regarded pilot can end up in a situation where they don't perform as expected and then try to learn some lessons from it so that we can each be a little safer.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 13:35
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Unfortunately not a good read...
No, it isn’t.

But apart from the spelling and grammatical errors which my 10yo son could proof-read, the Factual Summary specifically says the F/O was type rated on the aircraft (page 13) but then the preliminary findings says he wasn’t. Of course whether or not that could be a causal factor is not explored by the report.

But what the hell is a comment like this doing in the preliminary findings:

2.6 The Crew resource management (CRM) in the cockpit was found lacking
This statement is made as a “finding” with absolutely no supporting evidence or explanation!

This defies belief in an official report. It probably indicates which direction this investigation will follow.

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