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Old 5th Apr 2018, 11:51
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Sources suggest in the absence of any new aircraft, having 'game changed' the way to Europe on the 600th 787, Qantas IR have been quietly briefing certain 'friendly' (probably on the delivery flight of the first 787 for Qantas) media on a pending stoush with the pesky pilots.

If nothing else it will ensure that the little Napoleon gets to show his masculine side in yet another manufactured dispute, something which astute readers remember Qantas last did in 2011.

Mr. Joyce's second cousin Willie Walsh of IAG (Iberia/BA) likes a good stoush too, or so his script writers insist!

Rinse, wash and repeat..
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 12:33
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I can understand AJís, misguided, resentment toward those in the cockpit but WWís downright hostility has always been a head-scratcher.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 06:03
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Qantas need a new fleet
Folks,
That says it all, and a handful of B787 for the international operation is not a new fleet, it is just playing with the future of the international operation.

Qantas "should" be rolling over a 20y old B777 fleet into new gen B777 or whatever, and most of us know why, years ago, then management stopped capital investment for "international" stone dead.

Now, playing (almost) monopolies, or certainly "dominant dog" in the domestic market is all too easy.

And, surely, nobody in their right mind, even at current fuel prices, would suggest that the current versions of the B747 are aeroplanes of the high volume passenger future, compared to B777/A350 variants and whatever comes next??

And, for my money, great as it may be for the very small market in Perth, AU east coast to London, one stop via Perth, is a genuinely competitive non-starter, versus via SIN/BKK/HKG/TYO/take your pick.

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Old 6th Apr 2018, 22:59
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Qantas management seems overly preoccupied with bringing their staff down a peg.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 04:37
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If you knew anything about the 777 you would realise the first generation of -300s were only good for about 7 hours , so not very useable on QF routes , by the time the new models came out QF had already the A330s.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 04:50
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Sources suggest in the absence of any new aircraft, having 'game changed' the way to Europe on the 600th 787, Qantas IR have been quietly briefing certain 'friendly' (probably on the delivery flight of the first 787 for Qantas) media on a pending stoush with the pesky pilots.
One last hurrah perhaps?
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 05:36
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin View Post
If you knew anything about the 777 you would realise the first generation of -300s were only good for about 7 hours , so not very useable on QF routes , by the time the new models came out QF had already the A330s.
The 300 ER came out about five years before the 380 entered service, so would have fitted into QF's requirements on the Pacific. As I recall, the 330 was purchased cheaply and was required by Airbus because they didn't want initial ratings on the whale without previous AB experience.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 05:58
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin View Post
If you knew anything about the 777 you would realise the first generation of -300s were only good for about 7 hours , so not very useable on QF routes , by the time the new models came out QF had already the A330s.
Thatís right Scooter - Nobody expects airline management to consult with manufacturers with regard to aircraft types. The 777-300ER entered into service with Air France two years after the A330 arrived at Qantas. Who would have thought that Boeing would keep the development of this aircraft a secret from these geniuses praying for low fuel prices, and a miracle in the Qantas boardroom.

At this point the 777 had been flying for six years at various long haul airlines. Boeing offered the 300ER two years before the A330 arrived at Qantas, and it was flying in service two years after Qantas received its Ďgame changingí A330.

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Old 12th Apr 2018, 21:58
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Originally Posted by IsDon View Post
Qantas will have WiFi in long haul shortly. Itís being rolled out domestically and it works very well. It uses the NBN satellites and is about the fastest airborne WiFi youíll see anywhere. No problems streaming HD Netflix
Oh god, not another game changer!
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 22:10
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What we all forget is the Qantas mantra, right aircraft for the right route. You see the worlds best airline Singapore Airlines has just put a brand new 787-10 on Singapore Perth but we in Qantas no this is not correct , itís only suitable for a 737-800. Idiots.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 23:30
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But Singapore Airlines doesn't have the 737 in its fleet? So what is your point?
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 23:51
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I think his point must be that if SQ can operate a new 787 profitability on that route then their load factors must be > 75%. Hence, right aircraft for the route.

When passengers have a choice they tend to eschew smaller aircraft.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 00:03
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Well maybe. But SQ also hubs through Singapore so they have far more transfer pax with which to fill an aircraft than Qantas could ever hope to have (even during their heyday). It's not really a fair comparison. Of course SQ can have 4 widebodies a day when they are carrying people to destinations all over Asia and Europe thereafter.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 01:03
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Oh sure, through traffic is a big deal. Once Qantas embraces its back-to-the-future more fully there will be similar traffic for us. Currently the LHR bound 380 is full both ways through SIN. Don't forget QF connects in SIN to its own extensive JetStar services. (sarcasm)
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 01:18
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Go back 10 years we (QF) had 2 services (A330) a day running Per-Sin-Per plus an A330 doing Adl-Sin-Adl, an A330 on the Bne-Sin-Bne and the A380s out of Syd and Mel through Sin to Lhr, plus the 747-400 doing Sin-Fra or Sin to Cdg. If the timings were just right you would sit in your cockpit doing a preflight and be surrounded by 6 or 7 redtails; But that was back when QF was an airline rather than the management money making machine it has become today!!!
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 01:31
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Originally Posted by Tangosierra View Post
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Go back 10 years we (QF) had 2 services (A330) a day running Per-Sin-Per plus an A330 doing Adl-Sin-Adl, an A330 on the Bne-Sin-Bne and the A380s out of Syd and Mel through Sin to Lhr, plus the 747-400 doing Sin-Fra or Sin to Cdg. If the timings were just right you would sit in your cockpit doing a preflight and be surrounded by 6 or 7 redtails; But that was back when QF was an airline rather than the management money making machine it has become today!!!
Plus Mumbai, Bali and Jakarta were also connected thru Singapore but than was when Qantas was an airline. At least you get it, thanks.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 02:02
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry View Post
No one will order a 747 in passenger configuration going forward for the reasons given by Rated

Only 47 -8I bought so far and no order for 18 months+

The big twins will get more economic not less and the 747 will be only built as a freighter - but it's had a 45 year run so not to shabby really
As much as it pains me to admit it, HH is right. Scuttlebutt is that Boeing isn't even offering the 747-8i any more (although if someone and wanted to buy a dozen I'm sure they'd figure out a way to oblige). Boeing is still optimistic that the 747-8F has a strong future as the freight market improves, but I fear we've already seen the last new passenger 747.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 04:28
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
As much as it pains me to admit it, HH is right. Scuttlebutt is that Boeing isn't even offering the 747-8i any more (although if someone and wanted to buy a dozen I'm sure they'd figure out a way to oblige). Boeing is still optimistic that the 747-8F has a strong future as the freight market improves, but I fear we've already seen the last new passenger 747.
It's a real pity as any 74 is a far better pax experience overall IMHO.

Was on a TG 744 recently and reinforced my opinion.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 01:47
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Not flown FINNAIR's A350s then ZFT?
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 07:11
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Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
But SQ also hubs through Singapore so they have far more transfer pax with which to fill an aircraft than Qantas could ever hope to have (even during their heyday).
Not quite so. Qantas used to have a significant real hub at Singapore. In fact, in some old UK CAA figures, at one time they were surprisingly boarding more pax at Singapore for London, on just point-to-point (not through from Oz), than British Airways were; Singapore AL were top, but BA were pushed down into third place.
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