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Old 1st Apr 2018, 11:43
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Given the size of the population of South Australia that are of German descent I would have thought an Adelaide to Frankfurt or Munich service would be a good commercial opportunity for the B787.
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 12:17
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Wouldn't the 747-8 have been a better option for QF to get to Europe non-stop?
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The fuel included CASK is the real killer.
Fuel is around 30% of the Operating Cost. Even if you lose a few seats effectively halving the fuel burn over a similar stage length that makes the modern big twin purchase decision 'child's play'

Unless you are Qantas where you bet that fuel stay low. Given that the fall in fuel prices was $597 million of Qantas' amazing 'transformation' profit in FY15, a rise in fuel prices could undo 'the amazing turnaround'. So they fumble around with a total 8 787-9 and hope the media keep taking junkets with them and fail to notice there were over 600 flying (Even JQ have 11 788) before Qantas had one!

Qantas need a new fleet
Problem solved , problems that havn’t even been addressed yet.
2nd segment limits out of SCL & JNB with twin engined aircraft.
Polar operations below 70* south with twin engined aircraft ?
Solution B747-8 with 747 ER tankage.
Would this fulfill “ Operation Sunrise “ range requirements ?
Could a 777-8 with Aux fuel tankage match ?
Can the 777 envisionaged fulfill second segment limits on the SCL & JNB legs ?

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Old 1st Apr 2018, 13:56
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If it is an even 90% across the 3 classes that's good, but you would not like it to be 20 short in the front seats
Certainly not, but it Seems itís been higher than 90% up front... looking popular with both Ďup frontí classes.
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 14:11
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No one will order a 747 in passenger configuration going forward for the reasons given by Rated

Only 47 -8I bought so far and no order for 18 months+

The big twins will get more economic not less and the 747 will be only built as a freighter - but it's had a 45 year run so not to shabby really
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 15:13
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Certainly not, but it Seems itís been higher than 90% up front... looking popular with both Ďup frontí classes.
This would come as a mystery to US carriers, for whom the C accommodation is only there for those paying Y fares who are at the upper tiers of their frequent flyer scheme, and F is there for those few paying C class fares/any politicians to influence, who are then bumped further forward from C to cater for the first group.
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 21:31
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Wouldn't the 747-8 have been a better option for QF to get to Europe non-stop?
The 747's are old, noisy, have bad pressure and humidity levels and of course no WIFI. I will never fly one of these by choice.

I have on a number of occasions chosen a different airline, so I can fly on a modern, quiet, low altitude pressurised and humidified, WIFI enabled aircraft.
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 22:12
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I have on a number of occasions chosen a different airline, so I can fly on a modern, quiet, low altitude pressurised and humidified, WIFI enabled aircraft
So you are limited to the 787 only. Don’t know that wifi is that common?
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 22:53
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So you are limited to the 787 only. Donít know that wifi is that common?
the A380 is my choice whenever possible, if you look at the airfare screenshot I posted earlier, you'll see almost every other aniline except Qantas offers WIFI to LHR (and many other destinations too).
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 23:20
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you'll see almost every other aniline except Qantas offers WIFI to LHR (and many other destinations too).
That’s because all those other airlines don’t have a massive executive bonus scheme dragging them down like Qantas’ management inspired millstones do !
Money that could be better spent on things like wifi and modern aircraft !
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 00:23
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Originally Posted by Dee Vee View Post
the A380 is my choice whenever possible, if you look at the airfare screenshot I posted earlier, you'll see almost every other aniline except Qantas offers WIFI to LHR (and many other destinations too).
Qantas will have WiFi in long haul shortly. Itís being rolled out domestically and it works very well. It uses the NBN satellites and is about the fastest airborne WiFi youíll see anywhere. No problems streaming HD Netflix.

My experiences with WiFi offered by other carriers has been so slow itís really not even with considering. Ok for checking emails and web browsing but totally useless for streaming.

This is why Qantas havenít yet jumped into WiFi internationally yet. The current offering is just not good enough. Domestically the geostationary NBN satellites provide the desired speed but there isnít an internationally equivalent option as yet.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 00:33
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It uses the NBN satellites and is about the fastest airborne WiFi you’ll see anywhere. No problems streaming HD Netflix.
The cow-cockies will be happy about that.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 00:45
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WiFi offered by other carriers has been so slow it’s really not even with considering. Ok for checking emails and web browsing but totally useless for streaming
Emails and browsing and social media is what most people use it for, and it is perfect for that, I've never encountered any problems.

Aircraft WIFI isn't designed for streaming, and to use that (or wanting to be "offline") as excuses for not having it is to be frank, insulting people's intelligence. If you want to stream Netflix, then download it before you leave and play it offline, if you want to be "offline" turn off your phone.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 01:08
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The cow-cockies will be happy about that.

Given that the "cow-cockies" have to handle a thing called nbn's fair use policy which seems to be per receiver based I wonder how they are handling the potential usage from a lot of people on a single receiver.


Sky Muster has some "nice" features like it drops out with a bit of moisture in the air. More of an issue at ground level than at cruise levels but it is not as stable as some of the other commercial satellite services like the Optus birds.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 01:11
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Originally Posted by Dee Vee View Post
Emails and browsing and social media is what most people use it for, and it is perfect for that, I've never encountered any problems.

Aircraft WIFI isn't designed for streaming, and to use that (or wanting to be "offline") as excuses for not having it is to be frank, insulting people's intelligence. If you want to stream Netflix, then download it before you leave and play it offline, if you want to be "offline" turn off your phone.
Not having WiFi is to me an advantage as I'm left alone for a change!
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 01:50
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I was using wifi on a trip to London via the ME in 2014!

What are Qantas waiting for exactly?
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 02:58
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Q has a lot to make up for when it comes to international product offerings including but not limited to wifi. It’s pretty embarrassing what q dishes out to its customers relative to other airlines. Domestically though, it’s a proper and good service.

Comments not in haste, just want the best for q and it’s customers and at the moment... I reckon it’s lagging on the international front.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 04:34
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It would be great if Virgin had a bit more momentum and could expand its International network. One thing Virgin has done right is it’s widebody configuration. All 777s and A330s are the same, there is no second guessing which product rolls up at the gate. Virgin has one inflight config across the Pacific and Honkers. I’ve lost count how many varieties of configurations QF offer across the Pacific.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 05:33
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was using wifi on a trip to London via the ME in 2014!

What are Qantas waiting for exactly?
It is plausible that the use of Wifi is not widespread enough for Qantas to use the word 'game-changing.' When they finally roll it out will equate to the other carriers pioneering a new technology.

As with the 787 the first aircraft Qantas received had a LN 615. Fortunately the 'journalists' on their Seattle junket to pick the thing up from Boeing, were luckily given their press releases by Olivia and her darling husband, luckily no one checked! Soft corruption is a well used 'business expense' at Coward street!

Seriously though, all energy within the group under the tenure of the little Napoleon has been focused on JQ.

Growing from 36 aircraft it now has 122. Sadly although the parent has less aircraft JQ can only scrape in 25% of the revenue the Qantas 'brand' brings.

Qantas need a new fleet and a Board.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 06:12
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I would suggest that Qantas have a few extra aircraft than JQ but a much greater seating capacity to earn a higher revenue. (Would be interesting to know the total seats of both - think Q have some freighters on the books??)


JQ by all reports has lower staff costs and a much newer (fuel efficient) fleet. These two factors being biggest costs to companies.


So in some cases it is good to only get 25% of revenue - just depends how much marble you like in your cut of beef.

That said I doubt very many JQ flights into Canberra, but lots of revenue for Qantas.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 07:06
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We think you will find that the JQ fleet is bigger. Even bigger than when we last checked.

JQ by all reports has lower staff costs and a much newer (fuel efficient) fleet. These two factors being biggest costs to companies.
  • JQ most certainly have a more fuel efficient fleet.
Fuel costs and labour costs count for 65% of an airline's operating cost.

So in some cases it is good to only get 25% of revenue - just depends how much marble you like in your cut of beef.
That is an interesting position. JQ fly 48% of the ASK of Qantas aircraft yet can only generate 22% of the Operating Revenue. This is indicative that JQ is scale inefficient.
Given the Qantas refuse to dis-aggregate the JQ segment it is impossible to actually discern whether either segment is profitable. Further the use of associate entities, equity accounted is one thing, the capital structures of the offshore entities are opaque. Their actual 'value' is at best neutral. It is highly likely that their (JQ) 'international' segment is not profitable. Mr Buchanan argued against any further international expansion at JQ, he was sent on gardening leave.

The preparation of the aggregate (Consolidated) accounts make it impossible to actually see how many staff JQ have. It is entirely 'legal' for Qantas to lend staff (paid for by Qantas)/Services to JQ/ Headcount to JQ (Mr Joyce admitted this in a Senate inquiry, without detailing the frequency of this) that alters/reduces the unit labour cost. If an 'invoice' is ever generated its payment may or may not be reflected in intersegment accounts. They will be shown in the internal management accounts, but are lost when accounts are aggregated as it makes the presentation far simpler.

Therefore labour cost to JQ is likely to be lower than the parent as services and headcount are assigned to the Qantas cost centres but actually provide labour and service to JQ. We stress this is not illegal but is disingenuous.

What is surprising is that Mr Joyce wants to re-equip JQ which, as you correctly stated has the much newer fleet. It would be strategically sensible to ensure that management lower the fuel included CASK and improve the Operating Profit margin whilst the cost of capital is cheap and there remains a cash flow surplus. The Qantas RASK/CASK margin is far better than JQ, even allowing for lower labour unit cost over a given stage length. The A380 decision was not Mr Joyce's, every aircraft decision since then is. (Point: Not a single Qantas aircraft order)

Qantas need a new fleet.
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