Wikiposts
Search
Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

More Clever Accounting ??

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 21st Feb 2018, 21:43
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Australia
Age: 82
Posts: 259
Likes: 0
Received 21 Likes on 5 Posts
More Clever Accounting ??

From the ABC News website;

Qantas posts $607 million first-half profit
Updated 16 minutes ago

MAP: Australia
Qantas has posted a net profit of $607 million, for the six-month period ended December 2017.

This result is higher than its first-half profit of $515 million from the previous year.

Qantas disclosed an income tax expense of $250 million, but will not pay tax due to the "utilisation of of carry-forward tax losses and other temporary differences", according to its interim financial report, released this morning.

The Australian airline also announced it will buy back $378 million worth of its shares.

"Today’s result comes from investing in areas that provide margin growth and a network strategy that makes sure we have the right aircraft on the right route," chief executive Alan Joyce said.

As for its interim dividend, the company will pay shareholders 7 cents per shares, unfranked.

More to come.

Good to see they will pay some tax ---NOT. Can't pay tax and pay the CEO huge salaries as well can we ?
RodH is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2018, 22:29
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Middlesbrough U.K.
Age: 86
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Don't accountants usually ask " What do you want me to do - show a profit of a loss? Then adjust the figures accordingly.
Lancelot37 is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2018, 22:33
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 80
Received 17 Likes on 11 Posts
Isn't all accounting "creative"?
Chris2303 is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2018, 22:47
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Under Class C
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
You know every company in Australia does this right? Not sure it is something I would be bashing Q for. You make a tax loss you carry it forward.
gchriste is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2018, 22:55
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Middlesbrough U.K.
Age: 86
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by gchriste
You know every company in Australia does this right? Not sure it is something I would be bashing Q for. You make a tax loss you carry it forward.
Who's bashing Q? Look at what happened at Tesco. They made extra millions on the books, but after investigation the Directors, allegedly, included expected profits for the following year into the current year accounts to make them look good. They are due in Court shortly.
Lancelot37 is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2018, 02:17
  #6 (permalink)  
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 1996
Location: Utopia
Posts: 7,423
Received 203 Likes on 114 Posts
Who didn't pay tax?

At least 700 mostly public companies didn't pay a cent!!

The ATO just dropped corporate tax data and more than 700 companies paid nothing - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Companies don't pay tax for moral reasons. Obviously Australia's tax laws are pathetically inadequate to enable 732 companies to legally and legitimately pay no tax in Australia in the 2015-16 financial year, despite their collective income exceeding $500 billion.
tail wheel is online now  
Old 22nd Feb 2018, 04:18
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,276
Received 37 Likes on 28 Posts
It's not right to say they pay no tax. QF employs 20-30,000 people who pax. They collect billions in GST, their suppliers and contractors pay tax. The system allows for the carry forward of losses and these are used against profits. Shareholders pax tax. Airports, fuel companies and on it goes pay taxes...

What are we talking about?
TBM-Legend is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2018, 04:23
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 452
Received 21 Likes on 13 Posts
Tail Wheel I know you do realise that companies pay tax on profits not income - no profit no tax and previous losses can be offset. Just saying. Same trap that Emma Alberici ABC fell into who should have known better.

Now reducing Oz profits by transferring offshore is a different kettle of stinking fish which is hopefully being dealt with now.

Last edited by On eyre; 22nd Feb 2018 at 04:30. Reason: extra
On eyre is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2018, 05:54
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: nt
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Easy tax solution - Govt takes 5 or ten cents per dollar for every transaction.
desertduck is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2018, 07:11
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Seat 1A
Posts: 8,556
Received 75 Likes on 43 Posts
Originally Posted by Desert Duck
Easy tax solution - Govt takes 5 or ten cents per dollar for every transaction.
That'd be a GST wouldn't it?
Capn Bloggs is online now  
Old 22nd Feb 2018, 11:53
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: International
Age: 76
Posts: 1,394
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Nice to see insider trading is alive and well. Huge trading in QF shares on 20 Feb. Just shy of 25M shares changed hands at an average price of about $5.29
B772 is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2018, 20:04
  #12 (permalink)  
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 1996
Location: Utopia
Posts: 7,423
Received 203 Likes on 114 Posts
Please learn to differentiate between companies collecting tax from third parties (PAYG, GST, ticket taxes etc) on behalf of the ATO and companies that pay tax on their own earnings.

One wonders why so many local subsidiaries of overseas companies continue to operate in Australia and pay no tax, presumably due to repetitious losses?

The ATO will never stop transfer pricing. One solution may be to impose a turn over tax on foreign entities and their local subsidiaries and affiliates who would pay a 1% turn over tax if "losses" result in non payment of Company Tax.
tail wheel is online now  
Old 22nd Feb 2018, 20:43
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,276
Received 37 Likes on 28 Posts
That line is factually incorrect. I pay that tax to the government not Qantas!
as my teacher once said - "read the question!".

I did not say that employees pay tax to Qantas. I was in fact pointing out that as a large employer Qantas generates tax to the government by employing lots of folks. As has rightly been said elsewhere company tax is paid only on profits. No profit or losses then no tax. Don't forget the massive payroll tax QF generates. some 4% of the payroll and so it goes on. I'm amazed at the ignorance of some..
TBM-Legend is offline  
Old 23rd Feb 2018, 00:35
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 3,071
Received 138 Likes on 63 Posts
Employees can also have massive deductions whereby the employer and the employee pay very little if any tax at all. Sydney Airport is another good example of this scenario.

There is a reason some countries have flat tax rate / no deductions tax regimes.
neville_nobody is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.