Will Qantas stop 'Day of Operation' commuting to Perth for 787 ULH?
Probably a good idea. Once when operating a Tokyo service from Lhr on a B744, the handling F/O was nodding off shortly after a 1300 take off. Turned out he had arrived about 0900 on night flight from JFK. he commuted from New York.
I smartly gave the sector to the other F/O!
I smartly gave the sector to the other F/O!
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Probably a good idea. Once when operating a Tokyo service from Lhr on a B744, the handling F/O was nodding off shortly after a 1300 take off. Turned out he had arrived about 0900 on night flight from JFK. he commuted from New York.
- Airline 'people management' target regulatory limits; TOD are longer and rest period short all in the guise of 'efficiency'. Sleep opportunity is disturbed.
- Many rest periods are minimum permitted by statute.
- Population pressure in places like Sydney and Melbourne Australia have seen each city grow with immigration at 2.5 times the OECD average. 900,000 people in each city extra, with trains and road creaking at the seams. London is remarkably similar.
- Immigration and cheap debt (low interest rates at 5,000 year lows) have caused unprecedented flows into housing pushing up prices of suitable accommodation.
- Downward pressure on pilot terms and conditions as supply exceeded demand.
- Pilots commuting further to get to work as their home is often nowhere near the city hub of their employer.
- Fatigue not regulated universally. Fatigue is bespoke and as such a very well hidden nemesis. Its attack is like carbon monoxide; odourless and often symptom less.
British Airways are only going after commuters who use staff travel, but one must postulate whether there was pressure from the UK CAA. Ultimately fatigue is a dual responsibility; the employer must avoid roster practice that will generate excess fatigue. Pilots must also report and refuse to operate whilst fatigued.
British Airways are only going after commuters who use staff travel, but one must postulate whether there was pressure from the UK CAA
As to them going after staff travellers, just to be clear at the moment BA are only formally auditing those travelling on staff travel, probably because they have easy access to the data. However I suspect if by some means somebody travelling into base on full commercial tickets is also found to be in breach of the new Ops Manual requirements they will also be up for a disciplinary...
Hope you are joking Turin? The priority of a Duty ticket is way, way above an ID90.
I got bumped on three consecutive flights by dead heading crew on ID90s. 'Captain's privelige' I was told. He/she can allow who goes in the flight deck regardless of priority. I was on a company duty ticket with very high priority. I knew I was top of the onload list but watched again and again as other staff walked past the dispatcher and off home.
I am 'flightdeck qualified' by the way.
Not that i'm bitter of course.
Try having a non-normal with a non-pilot in the jumpseat.
Very uncomfortable. Instantly you understand why the cockpit is a place for pilots only.
Commuting staff travellers would be the target because the data is available. How do you monitor everyone else? Most guys I know will just go firm ticket with the opposition if staff travel commuting was forbidden. People aren’t going to just move to their base.
Very uncomfortable. Instantly you understand why the cockpit is a place for pilots only.
Commuting staff travellers would be the target because the data is available. How do you monitor everyone else? Most guys I know will just go firm ticket with the opposition if staff travel commuting was forbidden. People aren’t going to just move to their base.
I don’t commute but I often buy full fare promo tickets on the opposition when I travel. A good promo fare is often little more than a staff ticket as you’re paying all the taxes and fees either way.
If you’re definite on dates and times you can lock in better rates for hotels and car hire and you don’t spend the whole trip worrying if you going to get back in time for work.
I’ll use staff travel on routes where we have multiple daily flights, non peak times and a reasonably priced alternative available if I still don’t get on.
If you’re definite on dates and times you can lock in better rates for hotels and car hire and you don’t spend the whole trip worrying if you going to get back in time for work.
I’ll use staff travel on routes where we have multiple daily flights, non peak times and a reasonably priced alternative available if I still don’t get on.
What does that mean? You're either flight crew or you aren't. In any event access to the cockpit is totally at the Captain's discretion. If you're on duty travel they can give you a cabin seat.
I recall once wandering back into the cockpit, after doing the external preflight, to find two people parked in the jump seats. I asked who they were? Manager of purple turtles or something apparently. And then, who approved them coming to the cockpit. Well, they did, as it's something managers can do. So, I showed them what Captains can do....and left with the seats empty.
I recall once wandering back into the cockpit, after doing the external preflight, to find two people parked in the jump seats. I asked who they were? Manager of purple turtles or something apparently. And then, who approved them coming to the cockpit. Well, they did, as it's something managers can do. So, I showed them what Captains can do....and left with the seats empty.
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Jumpseat use is of course always the Captain’s discretion.
Denying access to duty travellers (where non-operational staff often don’t have a confirmed booking) generally just inconveniences your colleague who may just be trying to get home. The company doesn’t care if they have a forced overnight at the Parkroyal, but I’m sure their family’s do.
A pilot alt-paxing may try to hop on an earlier, full flight by asking for the jump seat.
Duty travel = deny jump seat...?
Denying access to duty travellers (where non-operational staff often don’t have a confirmed booking) generally just inconveniences your colleague who may just be trying to get home. The company doesn’t care if they have a forced overnight at the Parkroyal, but I’m sure their family’s do.
A pilot alt-paxing may try to hop on an earlier, full flight by asking for the jump seat.
Duty travel = deny jump seat...?
Denying access to duty travellers (where non-operational staff often don’t have a confirmed booking) generally just inconveniences your colleague who may just be trying to get home. The company doesn’t care if they have a forced overnight at the Parkroyal, but I’m sure their family’s do.
A pilot alt-paxing may try to hop on an earlier, full flight by asking for the jump seat.
Duty travel = deny jump seat...?
Duty travel = deny jump seat...?
Back in my 767 days I wouldn’t generally carry a duty traveller on the jumpseat, with one exception.
If that duty traveller was a colleague who was about to or had been attending to company business as a Pilot representative (ie: on my behalf! - say AIPA or WHS rep) and they’d been displaced for commercial pax, I’d happily take them on the jump - if they asked for it.
As someone who regularly travels to Sydney as a pilot rep to attend company meetings, I’m very glad many of my colleagues agree; especially when I’m trying to get home. It’s only happened once or twice in 3 or 4 years, but thanks!
If that duty traveller was a colleague who was about to or had been attending to company business as a Pilot representative (ie: on my behalf! - say AIPA or WHS rep) and they’d been displaced for commercial pax, I’d happily take them on the jump - if they asked for it.
As someone who regularly travels to Sydney as a pilot rep to attend company meetings, I’m very glad many of my colleagues agree; especially when I’m trying to get home. It’s only happened once or twice in 3 or 4 years, but thanks!
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Not on Big Airways.
I got bumped on three consecutive flights by dead heading crew on ID90s. 'Captain's privelige' I was told. He/she can allow who goes in the flight deck regardless of priority. I was on a company duty ticket with very high priority. I knew I was top of the onload list but watched again and again as other staff walked past the dispatcher and off home.
I am 'flightdeck qualified' by the way.
Not that i'm bitter of course.
I got bumped on three consecutive flights by dead heading crew on ID90s. 'Captain's privelige' I was told. He/she can allow who goes in the flight deck regardless of priority. I was on a company duty ticket with very high priority. I knew I was top of the onload list but watched again and again as other staff walked past the dispatcher and off home.
I am 'flightdeck qualified' by the way.
Not that i'm bitter of course.
