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Old 18th Jun 2018, 02:11
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Rated De, this is an excerpt from your provided link: (my bold)
QANTASLINK says its pilot shortage is so bad, its lobbying the government to change visa laws to allow foreign pilots to stay in the country for longer than the current two years
The airline is seeking permission from the federal government to address an acute pilot shortage by temporarily bringing in a limited number of simulator instructors and experienced pilots from overseas.

The agreement would enable pilots to be admitted for a period beyond the existing two-year window permitted under the current skilled visa program. QantasLink says attempts to encourage experienced aviators to move to Australia for contracts shorter than five years have proven uncompetitive
So the current provisions of the Temporary Skills Shortage visa are not suitable to recruit pilots largely because of the 2 year limit and the lack of a pathway to permanent residency. Qantas are seeking a Labour Agreement covering QLink and Network which do not have those restrictions, they have applied but it has not been granted.

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Old 18th Jun 2018, 03:03
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They wonít, the board has already set the wages rises for the next EBAs , itís 2.5%. Should it be more, yes, without a doubt, but thatís what it will be.
I know im preaching to the converted, however ;

Wouldnít it be a wonderful world for the Qantas board, if they were able to set pilot pay rates arbitrarily ? Fortunately, thatís not the case. Fortunately, theyíre only able to vote in their own compensation packages with a click of the champagne glass, and a round of viagra for everyone.

The EBA will be decided by a vote - Based in part upon their competitors pay rates across the Pacific (higher than Qantas), their U.S. domestic 737 code share partners (American. Higher), and the health of the Qanta Group; which is simply a gamechangha. Itís amazing right ?

The board doesnít set the rates. The AIPA sets the rates, in agreement with Qantas - after a vote by the pilots.

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Old 18th Jun 2018, 03:48
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the board has already set the wages rises for the next EBAs , it’s 2.5%.
Not sure where you got that information from.
This is from a transcript of an interview Alan Joyce gave to CNBC in March this year;
We have a pay and policy of 3% that we're implementing today; it's above the 2% inflation.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/29/cnbc...s-airways.html
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 04:06
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They can set the rates, doesn't mean we will vote yes to it though.
We had a pay freeze, they (Management) more than compensated themselves with their obscene bonuses last year,(circa $35mil for the top 2 alone), whilst retrenching 5000 frontline staff.
Quote" Wouldnít it be a wonderful world for the Qantas board, if they were able to set pilot pay rates arbitrarily ?". Thank goodness they can't,we'd be on $2.50 an hour.

read my post again. Slowly this time.
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Old 2nd Jul 2018, 07:51
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Saw a news article on the weekend, saying, QF will retire the B747/400 by 2020,
they are bringing forward 6 B787 orders, to replace the jumbos.
 
Old 2nd Jul 2018, 09:33
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Originally Posted by Seagull201 View Post
Saw a news article on the weekend, saying, QF will retire the B747/400 by 2020,
they are bringing forward 6 B787 orders, to replace the jumbos.
Rumours abound about picking up some cancelled orders early, would love a link to the article if you could provide a link.
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Old 2nd Jul 2018, 09:50
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google the words "Qantas to retire B 747".
It will take you to the Australian Aviation.com.au website. (its a popular magazine).
There should be an article from july 1, in relation to QF retiring the B747, with additional info. Cheers.
 
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Originally Posted by Seagull201 View Post
Saw a news article on the weekend, saying, QF will retire the B747/400 by 2020,
they are bringing forward 6 B787 orders, to replace the jumbos.
This is not new news. The decision was announced in early May.

There is no capability to train for aeroplanes to arrive earlier than the current plan. A sad reality of how badly things were stuffed up in 2014/ 2015.
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 02:45
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When is the NEO arriving?

I thought it it was mid 2018?
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 06:02
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There is no capability to train for aeroplanes to arrive earlier than the current plan. A sad reality of how badly things were stuffed up in 2014/ 2015.
Given that most of the rest of the world's airline management saw the need to re-equip over a decade ago, the acumen in Fort Fumble is certainly not remunerated for being forward thinking. If they ignored the need for a new fleet while taking random walks through Asia with a badly flawed JQ model, instead,of recruiting, training and promoting (in favour of self serving KPI) one could say at least they are consistent in their negligence.

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Old 8th Jul 2018, 06:08
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Mates who were supposed to start B737 training in July have been advised their courses are on hold indefinitely. Not happy Jan...
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 09:41
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They wonít, the board has already set the wages rises for the next EBAs , itís 2.5%. Should it be more, yes, without a doubt, but thatís what it will be.
As others have said, they canít do that. They can suggest that as a wish list target for wage increase, but they will ultimately have to accept the salary (and the conditions) the pilots are willing to accept. Think Iím wrong? Ask any Cobham pilot, they were offered a salary reduction and a watered down bunch of conditions but thanks to unprecedented unity, ended up with the exact opposite.

Itís a pilots market when Cobham pilots manage to advance the ball in such a big way.

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Old 8th Jul 2018, 13:11
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If they ignored the need for a new fleet while taking random walks through Asia with a badly flawed JQ model, instead,of recruiting, training and promoting (in favour of self serving KPI) one could say at least they are consistent in their negligence.
How the Australian media cannot fathom that an airline that only recently got its 1st 787 (ignoring the 11 at Jetstar) now can't find enough pilots for a shortage that the refuse to acknowledge exists, is poorly run comes down to bribery. It would seem OBVIOUS that reducing fuel expense and making sure you had sufficient pilots to operate your flights are KPI metrics that actually matter.


Qantas need a new fleet and management
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 22:31
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It’s my belief it’s actually worse than everyone thinks, they don’t even have enough TREs next bid period on the 330 to do recurrent training for the available line pilots. Hence the same as the 737 they can’t do any promotional training. To think this problem will be resolved in one bid period is delusional, I would think one year minimum.
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 22:42
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Qantas can find plenty of pilots... for the time being. There is no shortage of suitable applicants at mainline. There is a training pipeline issue and mis management dating back to 2014 in terms of gearing up for the arrival of new aeroplanes. This has been exacerbated as well by an increase of flying of the 737 fleet by 14% and the A330 fleet by 25%. That’s the equivalent of 9 extra 737s and 7 extra A330s. That is 65ish extra 737 crews and close to 60 extra A330 crews (plus S/Os). 250- 300 extra pilots in the pipeline before we start thinking about attrition (which is starting to increase as a result of the demographic) and expansion with the 787.

That the training bottleneck has happened is an indictment on somone but I cant work out who specifically. Who would know. Nice thing about bureaucracies I guess.

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It’s my belief it’s actually worse than everyone thinks, they don’t even have enough TREs next bid period on the 330 to do recurrent training for the available line pilots. Hence the same as the 737 they can’t do any promotional training. To think this problem will be resolved in one bid period is delusional, I would think one year minimum.
Pretty sure the A330 TREs can manage the current recurrent load. They can’t handle the recurrent load, promotional load and training of new CAT Ds and TREs. Hence the training slowdown on both fleets to pump out more Cat Ds and TREs which will then enable a greater throughput of trainees. Agree on your time frame.


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Old 8th Jul 2018, 22:50
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If there’s one certainty in Qantas and that is you can never find anyone to except responsibility. They have in my opinion one opportunity to dig themselves out of this hole and that’s to keep the 747 as is until April 2020 when the additional 787s start arriving. Do I think they will? Nope, would require an admission of guilt and lateral thinking something that I think is beyond this lot.
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On the contrary, I think they ALL Ďexceptí responsibility
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 04:23
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This is what happens when "managers" get so excited by their promotion and F11 upgrade they lose sight of what they were put there to do in the first place after their more experienced colleagues (who know about resource planning) were made redundant four years ago. Babes in the wood with stars in their eyes.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 05:44
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
This is what happens when "managers" get so excited by their promotion and F11 upgrade they lose sight of what they were put there to do in the first place after their more experienced colleagues (who know about resource planning) were made redundant four years ago. Babes in the wood with stars in their eyes.
This.

The whole point of the thread is that this fish rotted from the head down. Executive Management and Board failed to strategically position the company and shareholder funds from foreseeable threats. Fleet decisions are overdue and pilot training throughput foreseeable.

Executive management intent on re-writing social policy, random walks in Asia with JQ, and ineffective oversight from a board big in asset leasing and IR experience, but light on aviation experience, other than what First Class travel feels like and this is the result: A business struggling. Spending a lot on advertising, expensive junkets to Seattle so that the MSM don't notice...

With WTI at USD$74.11 and Brent higher, Jet fuel is rapidly approaching AUD$110 a barrel. Qantas face term structure pressure on fuel. They are hedging into higher forecast fuel prices.

With important geo -political developments driving forward premium, namely Venezuelan and Persian oil (if Trump exercises the 90 day clause) removing vital oil supply from the market and the Saudi Aramco IPO being predicated on at least USD$80 oil, the term structure suggests more contango in the oil market. This is not conducive to a 'transformation' narrative, nor is the QSA the problem. As Qantas benefited from the downwards leverage in the transformation year FY15 of a steeply falling fuel price, they are exposed on the way up. Far more exposed than their competitors.

Leigh Clifford may well be handing the new guy a hospital pass....

Qantas need a new fleet...Stat

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Old 9th Jul 2018, 06:02
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Qantas may well need a new fleet stat but there is no way of training for it. Even if they were to dead stop the 744 fleet in 12 months and accelerate 10 787s in the same time frame there is zero capacity to transition the crew between fleets. Qantas is stuck with the time frame they have. Post the 744 retirement they may well have the capacity to accelerate 787 deliveries for a 12 month time frame but that’s ages away yet.
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