Wikiposts
Search
Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

REX W.A. Expansion

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 24th Dec 2017, 07:55
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: MELBOURNE
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
REX W.A. Expansion

In the week Rex dropped two routes in N.S.W., (Taree and Cobar) it was announced by the Western Australian Government that Rex was the preferred Tenderer for the Perth - Carnarvon and Perth - Monkey Mia routes. It is subject to the final signing of a "deed of agreement" to cover the five year exclusive licence commencing on 2 July 2018.
Skippers are the current operator to both towns.
AIRTAM is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2017, 08:02
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 2,303
Received 9 Likes on 4 Posts
Mmm?

How far is it from Perth to Carnarvon?
KRUSTY 34 is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2017, 09:58
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
And rex have enough pilots?
warrior92 is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2017, 10:59
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: AUS
Posts: 42
Received 7 Likes on 5 Posts
Two additional Perth Commands have been allocated internally. Routes start in approx 6 months. Time to train for the upgrade is 3-6 months depending on upgrading pilots prior experience and Training Captain availability. FO spots can be filled from next groundschool. Aircraft will be WT.
AmarokGTI is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2017, 11:46
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: WLG (FORMERLY PER)
Posts: 1,195
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
The route is only 3 days a week
topend3 is offline  
Old 24th Dec 2017, 11:52
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Tent
Posts: 916
Received 19 Likes on 12 Posts
Damm the F28 was great!
Bend alot is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2017, 08:56
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: In the bush
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
watch this space!
continueapproach737 is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2017, 09:10
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 2,303
Received 9 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Andrias
Perth to Carnarvon is about 890.1km

Flight duration currently 2 hours 15 minutes and I think Skippers are using their Q100 for the routes
3 hours 20 minutes flight time in a 340b.
KRUSTY 34 is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2017, 10:38
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: AUS
Posts: 42
Received 7 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34
3 hours 20 minutes flight time in a 340b.
How did you come up with that?!?!
AmarokGTI is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2017, 11:27
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 2,303
Received 9 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by AmarokGTI
How did you come up with that?!?!
Well I did take Andrias’s statement of Perth to Carnarvon as 890 nm at face value.

Last time I looked an SF340B had an average TAS of 270kts.

Happy to stand corrected if I’ve missed anything?
KRUSTY 34 is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2017, 11:42
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: AUS
Posts: 42
Received 7 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34
Well I did take Andrias’s statement of Perth to Carnarvon as 890 nm at face value.

Last time I looked an SF340B had an average TAS of 270kts.

Happy to stand corrected if I’ve missed anything?
I think you misread. 890km, not nm. It’s about 450nm.
You are correct about 270ktas for the Saab. To factor in a slower climb, 235-240ktas average is a better figure for planning. That would make it just under 2hrs flight time. Block time will be slightly longer, as per usual.
AmarokGTI is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2017, 12:38
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Brisvegas
Posts: 3,878
Likes: 0
Received 246 Likes on 106 Posts
Can someone with some real aviation law knowledge explain to me how a state government can legislate aviation routes within their state given that the Australian constitution specifically says that aviation regulation is under the sole authority of the federal government.

Giving a monopoly "licence" to one operator I believe is not legally defendable.
Icarus2001 is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2017, 12:49
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
Posts: 2,469
Received 310 Likes on 116 Posts
If it’s the same as some routes in Queensland, it’s regulated so that they can get an airline to service the route. The government would be subsiding the route in some way, so to encourage operators to apply, they would offer some protection.

That’s the way I understand it.
morno is online now  
Old 25th Dec 2017, 14:43
  #14 (permalink)  
TurboMaggot
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Originally Posted by AmarokGTI
I think you misread. 890km, not nm. It’s about 450nm.
You are correct about 270ktas for the Saab. To factor in a slower climb, 235-240ktas average is a better figure for planning. That would make it just under 2hrs flight time. Block time will be slightly longer, as per usual.
From memory you could bank on 182KIAS in High Climb, equating to 180-200kts GS.

Can't see a problem unless a tempo gets slapped onto the TAF.
 
Old 25th Dec 2017, 20:01
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 2,303
Received 9 Likes on 4 Posts
[QUOTE=AmarokGTI;10001148]I think you misread. 890km, not nm. It’s about 450nm.

Thanks Amarok.

Bloody metric system!
KRUSTY 34 is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2017, 21:42
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: AUS
Posts: 42
Received 7 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by TurboMaggot
From memory you could bank on 182KIAS in High Climb, equating to 180-200kts GS.

Can't see a problem unless a tempo gets slapped onto the TAF.
182KIAS is the highest IAS that High Climb with give you. Basically High Climb is 200TAS. Medium Climb 180TAS. The IAS will reduce as you climb to roughly keep that TAS.

In nil wind min fuel load to get there will be about 1.2tonnes (including reserves etc). That’s ok for a full load. Headwind/inter/tempo/alternate will have to mean capped sales or a stop for some more motion lotion on the way. 28ish pax with typical luggage weights will allow inter fuel.
AmarokGTI is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2017, 21:52
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: WLG (FORMERLY PER)
Posts: 1,195
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
Can someone with some real aviation law knowledge explain to me how a state government can legislate aviation routes within their state given that the Australian constitution specifically says that aviation regulation is under the sole authority of the federal government.

Giving a monopoly "licence" to one operator I believe is not legally defendable.
The primary factor is that without a regulated service it is likely some towns would have no air service at all.
topend3 is offline  
Old 25th Dec 2017, 22:23
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Wanaka, NZ
Posts: 2,569
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
I don't think it's a question of legislation, it's simply just a State Government putting out a tender for the provision of a service. No problem with that at all. There is nothing stopping an unsuccessful tenderer operating the same route, other than the common sense economics of it.
gulliBell is offline  
Old 26th Dec 2017, 02:12
  #19 (permalink)  
TurboMaggot
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Originally Posted by AmarokGTI
182KIAS is the highest IAS that High Climb with give you. Basically High Climb is 200TAS. Medium Climb 180TAS. The IAS will reduce as you climb to roughly keep that TAS.

In nil wind min fuel load to get there will be about 1.2tonnes (including reserves etc). That’s ok for a full load. Headwind/inter/tempo/alternate will have to mean capped sales or a stop for some more motion lotion on the way. 28ish pax with typical luggage weights will allow inter fuel.
Yeah I meant 180-200kts Ground Speed. It'd be interesting to know what the loads were with Skippers.
 
Old 26th Dec 2017, 03:47
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: PPrune nominee 2011!
Posts: 1,561
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Can someone with some real aviation law knowledge explain to me how a state government can legislate aviation routes within their state given that the Australian constitution specifically says that aviation regulation is under the sole authority of the federal government.

Giving a monopoly "licence" to one operator I believe is not legally defendable.

The Minister for Transport has powers under the Transport Coordination Act 1966 to license aircraft and place conditions on aircraft licenses to control where and when airlines may fly within the State.

Under the Western Australian Transport Coordination Act 1966 and the Transport Coordination Regulations 1985 the Minister for Transport has the authority to issue aircraft licences for up to 12 months, free of charge, to airlines operating within the State for commercial purposes (hire or reward), other than for medical emergency purposes.

The purpose of the Act and Regulations is to ensure that Western Australians are provided, as far as is practicable, with reliable, efficient and economic transport services. Under this legislation the Minister is empowered to regulate intrastate air routes by placing various conditions on aircraft licences.

These can include conditions that restrict the area or frequency of airline operations or any other conditions considered in the public interest. Any condition placed on an aircraft licence may refer to the provision of RPT services, charter services, or both where applicable.
Skystar320 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.