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JETGO Airlines to launch Brisbane-Karratha-Singapore services

Old 25th Apr 2018, 06:02
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Geeez there has been some rubbish posted in this thread.

Firstly the comments posted about Jetgo's Chief Pilot are crap! Simon may be young but he is no patsy to the CEO. CASA does not hand out Chief Pilot approval for a high capacity AOC without a pretty rigorous process particularly to a young bloke. Credit where credit is due Simon maybe young but he has a wise head on his shoulders having cut his teeth on short haul regional operations in Europe. He has earned his position.

IMO Jetgo gave jet commands way too soon to a number of regional turboprop pilots who were quite happy to apply an MEL in an ATR or Dash to get the day done, but once in a Jet believed different rules apply. Although some of these have moved on they are still barking!

And an AOG in Singapore? Guess where Embraer has their regional spares warehouse and with Hawker Pacific at Seletar!
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 06:43
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Rumour has it a couple of JGO EMB-140's repossessed by banks.
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 10:12
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Originally Posted by hiwaytohell View Post

And an AOG in Singapore? Guess where Embraer has their regional spares warehouse and with Hawker Pacific at Seletar!
That's great if you need a brake assembly.


How about more like the Embraer ( I think it was) with the coffee/soft drink spill that created some electrical issues? That need parts and possible some damage that requires some structural drawings and repairs?

Do Jetgo have good credit with maintenance and parts suppliers? Or say Airnorth for a Charter to move booked paxs?
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 14:37
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They have the wrong aircraft for the wrong routes. The ideal aircraft for the routes they are flying is probably the Q400. I have no idea what the main focus cities are because they fly random routes all over the country, chopping and changing, announcing then deannouncing new routes.

You need a lot of cash behind you if you want to have a serious crack at this market with Jets. Tiger had SIA. Strategic and this mob only have themselves.
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Old 29th Apr 2018, 05:35
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because they fly random routes all over the country,
Err, not really. They dropped Tamworth WEF 14 May and they don't fly West of Essendon yet. It appears to me they don't want to go head to head with VA or QF as we know who would win that battle, anti dumping legislation or not. They pick thin routes that are not well served. Seems like a good plan to me. Then, I am a pilot so what would I know?

https://jetgo.com/flights/jetgo-flights-route-map/

As for cash, I agree with you. They have been trading for six years so they seem viable and one hopes they have cash on hand for the imminent expansion.
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Old 7th May 2018, 00:12
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post
From a quick look at flightaware, only 2 of their 6 planes have flown in the last week. 2 haven't flown for over a month. Not good.
Flight aware indicates they're down to a 1 aircraft schedule as of 04/05. Combined with recent hull & engine reposessions, one could be forgiven for thinking the end is very near.
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Old 7th May 2018, 11:28
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Can I assume that Flight Aware uses ADS B information for tracking? I remember seeing somewhere that Jetgo had an exemption from ADS B fitment, so would that invalidate your assumptions about their activity? Are the repossessions fact?

https://www.casa.gov.au/files/casaex17079pdf Although it does say it was repealed at the end of March 2018. Perhaps there was an extension?

Edit to add: JGB and JGR are both shown on Flightradar24 as having flown today.
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Old 7th May 2018, 13:04
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Originally Posted by CASA_Approval View Post
Flight aware indicates they're down to a 1 aircraft schedule as of 04/05. Combined with recent hull & engine reposessions, one could be forgiven for thinking the end is very near.
how confident are you of these alleged repos
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Old 7th May 2018, 13:20
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Can I assume that Flight Aware uses ADS B information for tracking? I remember seeing somewhere that Jetgo had an exemption from ADS B fitment, so would that invalidate your assumptions about their activity? Are the repossessions fact?

https://www.casa.gov.au/files/casaex17079pdf Although it does say it was repealed at the end of March 2018. Perhaps there was an extension?

Edit to add: JGB and JGR are both shown on Flightradar24 as having flown today.
Well that pays bills!

As for exemption of ADS B that is only a postponement of a cost.

Aircraft require engines to fly, how many are on aircraft today? Short answer is not enough for all to fly and it has been that way for some time.
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Old 8th May 2018, 07:41
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Can I assume that Flight Aware uses ADS B information for tracking? I remember seeing somewhere that Jetgo had an exemption from ADS B fitment, so would that invalidate your assumptions about their activity? Are the repossessions fact?
VH-JZG (an E135, I think) was the only one that did not have ADS-B and it does not seem to have been around for a while. Spotters reckon that it was the only RPT jet in Oz that was not equipped by the mandate deadline.

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Old 9th May 2018, 01:12
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Very reliable source..
One airframe repoed
4 engines repoed
JGZ in Alliance hanger (sans engines) at request of the Lessor.
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Old 9th May 2018, 02:51
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"whoop whoop" "terrain terrain" "pull up" "whoop whoop"
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Old 9th May 2018, 03:02
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It’s going to be tough making sure the crew has enough cash to pay for fuel.
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Old 9th May 2018, 03:27
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Originally Posted by topgun0007 View Post
Very reliable source..
One airframe repoed
4 engines repoed
JGZ in Alliance hanger (sans engines) at request of the Lessor.
yet they had a new aircraft delivery in the last few weeks!
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Old 9th May 2018, 04:27
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yet they had a new aircraft delivery in the last few weeks!
It's what I call the "insolvency paradox":
The appearance of expansion is maintained to attract investment despite the fact that the company is about to spectacularly go tits-up

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Old 9th May 2018, 05:18
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Who does their maintenance? I would guess if they are not getting paid they will stop supplying just like a refueller would. BAC would need to get an order to impound aircraft but very easy to stop supply of services. If that is not occurring then there is no evidence of impending doom. Aircraft lease and finance deals can be complex so who knows.
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Old 9th May 2018, 05:33
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Who does their maintenance? I would guess if they are not getting paid they will stop supplying just like a refueller would. BAC would need to get an order to impound aircraft but very easy to stop supply of services. If that is not occurring then there is no evidence of impending doom. Aircraft lease and finance deals can be complex so who knows.
YMEN ground handlers stopping work might be another sign. Or a 1-2 aircraft schedule. Or massive pilot turnover. Or pilots/contractors not getting paid on time. Or thousands of displaced punters. Or cannibalized airframes. Or ongoing CASA surveillance. Or an 80 page dossier submitted to REPCON/Carmody by a group of incredibly concerned current and former engineers/pilots/flight attendants earlier this year.

But, If that is not occurring then there is no evidence of impending doom.
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Old 9th May 2018, 12:36
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Who does their maintenance? I would guess if they are not getting paid they will stop supplying just like a refueller would.


Aircraft that was halfway through a C check in Cairns, pushed outside and buttoned up sans LH engine.
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Old 9th May 2018, 15:37
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When was that?

I found out today that they have crew in the US doing E190 type ratings now. Perhaps any money left is being diverted to the shiny new jet?
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Old 9th May 2018, 21:28
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
When was that?

I found out today that they have crew in the US doing E190 type ratings now. Perhaps any money left is being diverted to the shiny new jet?
Iím sure The CEO is getting typed. Itís best to make the company pay for your type rating before the company collapses.
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