Terrorist plot thwarted?
The part i find amusing about all of this is that the original announcement by Turnbull, flanked by the police implied that it was the brilliant detective work of our law enforcement agencies that thwarted a sinister plot.
Over time it emerged that the real story is that the UK law enforcement told our guys what was going on and our local plod went and arrested the 3 blokes concerned. So the spin changed to how brilliantly we cooperate with other law enforcement agencies (by taking their call?) And the device didn't make it on the plane because it was overweight for hand luggage.
Is that an over-simplification? The hundreds of millions in bureaucracy and general dicking around of staff and passengers every day, all of this mutual backslapping about how we are world leaders in investigation, but in the end it came down down to someone else telling us it was happening and cabin allowance baggage rules?
Over time it emerged that the real story is that the UK law enforcement told our guys what was going on and our local plod went and arrested the 3 blokes concerned. So the spin changed to how brilliantly we cooperate with other law enforcement agencies (by taking their call?) And the device didn't make it on the plane because it was overweight for hand luggage.
Is that an over-simplification? The hundreds of millions in bureaucracy and general dicking around of staff and passengers every day, all of this mutual backslapping about how we are world leaders in investigation, but in the end it came down down to someone else telling us it was happening and cabin allowance baggage rules?
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Ho Ho Ho....This would be FUNNY, if it wasn't so serious.....
From this morning's news...
The 'perp' was sending his BROTHER on a 'one way trip'!
But, apparently, he, the brother, it was reported, had NO IDEA and did not get his 'check in' baggage on the flight, because it was 'too heavy'...?
It seems that the brother then flew sans baggage.
The 'mentality' of these people is just mind blowing....if you'll pardon the pun....
Cheerrsss....
From this morning's news...
The 'perp' was sending his BROTHER on a 'one way trip'!
But, apparently, he, the brother, it was reported, had NO IDEA and did not get his 'check in' baggage on the flight, because it was 'too heavy'...?
It seems that the brother then flew sans baggage.
The 'mentality' of these people is just mind blowing....if you'll pardon the pun....
Cheerrsss....
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I like the idea that someone pitched in a previous post... spend the money on something else like... pilot mental health, cabin crew threat identification and management training, drug and bomb sniffer dogs... anything but the useless screening equipment at the doors.
Don't get me wrong, aviation security needs continuous improving and monitoring which is an idea I support, but creating screening for the sake of "we have to do it, why don't they?" is rubbish.
I only hope the government and its agencies have the foresight to know how ineffective door and gate screening could be if they yield to ALPA's whim-of-the-day... and I trust they will.
Don't get me wrong, aviation security needs continuous improving and monitoring which is an idea I support, but creating screening for the sake of "we have to do it, why don't they?" is rubbish.
I only hope the government and its agencies have the foresight to know how ineffective door and gate screening could be if they yield to ALPA's whim-of-the-day... and I trust they will.
The real bad guys have military explosives training, a covert support network with excellent research capability, an effective security and communication system and plenty of money. You will not catch them with some ASIC card check or see them mouthing off about infidels in some Lakemba mosque. If they mount an operation, they will use cleanskins with all the documentation and security cards. One can only hope ASIO is disrupting their operations in secret.
Police will allege the IED had been built under instructions from a senior Islamic State (IS) controller in Syria and was to be planted in the luggage of a brother of one of the accused on the Etihad flight out of Sydney on July 15. Police said the brother was not aware of the plan.
Police described the IED as a "high-end military-grade explosive". However, that attempt was aborted, and a second plan was then hatched to create a "chemical dispersion device"...Police said the plot to detonate an IED on the Etihad flight was directed by a senior IS controller, who organised for components to be sent to Australia via international air cargo from Turkey.
Deputy Commissioner Phelan said the plot began in April when one of the accused was put in contact with the controller via his brother, who is a senior member of the terrorist group in Syria.
Police described the IED as a "high-end military-grade explosive". However, that attempt was aborted, and a second plan was then hatched to create a "chemical dispersion device"...Police said the plot to detonate an IED on the Etihad flight was directed by a senior IS controller, who organised for components to be sent to Australia via international air cargo from Turkey.
Deputy Commissioner Phelan said the plot began in April when one of the accused was put in contact with the controller via his brother, who is a senior member of the terrorist group in Syria.
the idiots the AFP catches who attend dodgy mosques and research and discuss their plans over phones and the internet
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So the guy who took the meat mincer bomb to the airport was the brother of one of the accused.....and he knew nothing of it? His Brother?
"Here take this meat mincer to Abu Dhabi...uncle Mohammed wants it" really?? And so he jets out....and the AFP tells us he's not connected? Not sure this would pass the Pub test?
"Here take this meat mincer to Abu Dhabi...uncle Mohammed wants it" really?? And so he jets out....and the AFP tells us he's not connected? Not sure this would pass the Pub test?
So the guy who took the meat mincer bomb to the airport was the brother of one of the accused.....and he knew nothing of it? His Brother?
"Here take this meat mincer to Abu Dhabi...uncle Mohammed wants it" really?? And so he jets out....and the AFP tells us he's not connected? Not sure this would pass the Pub test?
"Here take this meat mincer to Abu Dhabi...uncle Mohammed wants it" really?? And so he jets out....and the AFP tells us he's not connected? Not sure this would pass the Pub test?
The Lockerbie bomb was hidden in the hold baggage of the terrorist's pregnant girlfriend on board back then.
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Having travelled with QF Internationally and watched the aircraft takeoff with my bag on it as I stood in a line in the terminal and then getting my luggage back in Oz without it being opened I'm not so sure of QF's abilities. It was by no means deliberate on my part and they had time to off load the luggage should they have wished to do so.
A little bit off a myth really. Bags get misplaced and left behind regularly and travel later without the passenger. Yes, it has happened to me and no the bag was not opened, probably scanned though, possibly on departure and arrival.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...7786fbf0d379c3
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...7786fbf0d379c3
Here's a novel idea to reduce a terrorist threat: Don't vote for, or tolerate, our government colluding with imperialist American wars in middle eastern ****holes.
America and Australia had nothing to do with the civil war in Syria which has been going on for a while. It was only when ISIS established a caliphate and started beheading not only Westerners but Syrians and Iragis that the Government has sent DFP back in. The real problem is that murder and mayhem in the Middle East is not confined to a small geographical area. If you don't think the Americans should be involved in the current and future geo-political situations then you might get your wish as Trump turns the US into an impotent navel gazer.
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Here's a novel idea to reduce a terrorist threat: Don't vote for, or tolerate, our government colluding with imperialist American wars in middle eastern ****holes.
When Mohammed started his terrorist cult in the seventh century and proceeded to hack the heads off unbelievers in medina, was that also because of America? America has become a convenient blanket excuse for western useful idiots who want to believe in the religion of peace.
Having travelled with QF Internationally and watched the aircraft takeoff with my bag on it as I stood in a line in the terminal and then getting my luggage back in Oz without it being opened I'm not so sure of QF's abilities.
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When Mohammed started his terrorist cult in the seventh century and proceeded to hack the heads off unbelievers in medina, was that also because of America? America has become a convenient blanket excuse for western useful idiots who want to believe in the religion of peace.
When you follow a cult started by an egotistical, narcissistic, murdering, paedophile, and that nasty little sh1t is held up as the perfect example of how all muslims should conduct their lives, is it any wonder the vast majority of cowardly terrorist attacks come from this group of delluded numbskulls.
Not only that, but the blaming of the victims for causing the violence in the first place has been the modus operandi of muslims for centuries. If you can blame the victim for being attacked then you've one.
From some of the misguided comments here, it looks like some have already been conned.
Religion of peace, my hairy arse.
Difference between a cult and a religion? Numbers.
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America and Australia had nothing to do with the civil war in Syria which has been going on for a while. It was only when ISIS established a caliphate and started beheading not only Westerners but Syrians and Iragis that the Government has sent DFP back in. The real problem is that murder and mayhem in the Middle East is not confined to a small geographical area. If you don't think the Americans should be involved in the current and future geo-political situations then you might get your wish as Trump turns the US into an impotent navel gazer.
For this round at least.
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Would ISIS exist without America? In its identical state maybe not. But Islamic doctrine compels all Muslims to continue the struggle towards a world ruled by sharia law by whatever means available. So while ISIS might not exist in its present form, something else would. Using the same tried and true methodology of blaming somebody else while playing the role of victim.
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...you do realise how ISIS came about, right? Quite tied up with the invasion that we participated in.
For this round at least.
For this round at least.
It's a bit like blaming the allies for the rise of Nazism, by removing the Wilhelm aristocracy (dictatorship) and instilling the Weimar Republic.