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the sort of language that would clear the front bar at Young and Jackson's in it's heyday
But not that I would know, I only ever went to Chloe's bar. Sorry if that sounds elitist!
but it is advertised & it is available in main bases !!!
Speaking of SYD/LAX some airlines have just dropped their pants & bent over. $1199 return to U.S. west coast departing Xmas Day, $100 to $200 more departing later in December. Thought it was the only time of year some airlines made any money. Obviously forward bookings are awful.
Some airlines surely won't survive this massive recession. Plenty of real estate developers/builders/speculators going under, so they won't be travelling anywhere, anytime soon.
Speaking of SYD/LAX some airlines have just dropped their pants & bent over. $1199 return to U.S. west coast departing Xmas Day, $100 to $200 more departing later in December. Thought it was the only time of year some airlines made any money. Obviously forward bookings are awful.
Some airlines surely won't survive this massive recession. Plenty of real estate developers/builders/speculators going under, so they won't be travelling anywhere, anytime soon.
Christmas day and the days surrounding it any worker at an airport will tell you are among the deadest of the year as generally, people have traveled weeks before.
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Generally, airlines make their money in the first half of the fiscal year (1 July - 31 December) and they coast in the second half, hoping to at least break even. That's the only periods I'm aware of that differentiate returns.
Christmas day and the days surrounding it any worker at an airport will tell you are among the deadest of the year as generally, people have traveled weeks before.
Christmas day and the days surrounding it any worker at an airport will tell you are among the deadest of the year as generally, people have traveled weeks before.
school holidays are incredibly busy, esp xmas school hols. Only few years back, when only QF & UA were only carriers that flew nonstop, you'd be lucky to find a fare under $3k return.
Xmas Day simply has less flights internationally. The days of getting seats for almost nothing if you fly 25DEC internationally are gone.
But just prior to 25DEC & just after 25DEC are incredibly busy esp for flights to Europe/USA/Canada from OZ. You only have to look at normal sort of fares at this time of year.
You won't get any $799-$999 return airfares to USA/Canada or Europe in school holidays, but plenty around right now & in other low season periods.
Last edited by BNEA320; 7th May 2017 at 04:09.
think you might be talking OZ domestic flights ?
school holidays are incredibly busy, esp xmas school hols. Only few years back, when only QF & UA were only carriers that flew nonstop, you'd be lucky to find a fare under $3k return.
Xmas Day simply has less flights internationally. The days of getting seats for almost nothing if you fly 25DEC internationally are gone.
But just prior to 25DEC & just after 25DEC are incredibly busy esp for flights to Europe/USA/Canada from OZ. You only have to look at normal sort of fares at this time of year.
You won't get any $799-$999 return airfares to USA/Canada or Europe in school holidays, but plenty around right now & in other low season periods.
school holidays are incredibly busy, esp xmas school hols. Only few years back, when only QF & UA were only carriers that flew nonstop, you'd be lucky to find a fare under $3k return.
Xmas Day simply has less flights internationally. The days of getting seats for almost nothing if you fly 25DEC internationally are gone.
But just prior to 25DEC & just after 25DEC are incredibly busy esp for flights to Europe/USA/Canada from OZ. You only have to look at normal sort of fares at this time of year.
You won't get any $799-$999 return airfares to USA/Canada or Europe in school holidays, but plenty around right now & in other low season periods.
I think back in those days when there were so many flights to/from Europe and the US for example, it was not possible to just not operate flights on Xmas day, etc. because that meant the aircraft required in those places for return services either side would not be there.
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Probably wasn't as specific as I intended, yes, I remember flights going out (747s) with 20 pax on them on Xmas day... I wasn't aware the schedules had reduced to take account of that but it makes sense. My experience (and I admit it's some time ago) at International were of fairly light loads a couple of days out and after but intensely busy in the weeks before and after. Fair point but I was referring to International not Domestic.
I think back in those days when there were so many flights to/from Europe and the US for example, it was not possible to just not operate flights on Xmas day, etc. because that meant the aircraft required in those places for return services either side would not be there.
I think back in those days when there were so many flights to/from Europe and the US for example, it was not possible to just not operate flights on Xmas day, etc. because that meant the aircraft required in those places for return services either side would not be there.
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A small selection from the broken record...
Why don't you take you lithium, p1ss off and leave the rest of us in peace?
Originally Posted by BNEA320
15th Dec 2013, 22:15
who will buy QF tickets 11 months in advance anymore
traditionally (before GFC) the cheapest international tickets were ALWAYS available as soon as loaded in CRS's, which with most legacy airlines meant around 50 weeks out.
Worked in travel until a few years ago & would get the regulars, those who would go overseas to Europe or USA every Xmas holidays, call as soon as they got back in late Jan to book the following Dec.
But now, no one will book QF & this will also hurt other airlines, so cash flow will dry up, at least as far as QF international is concerned.
Many members of the public are already resigned to the "fact" that QF is stuffed.
The more QF management & the media talk about it, the worse it will get.
Does this mean that QF will offer incredible earlybird deals ?
who will buy QF tickets 11 months in advance anymore
traditionally (before GFC) the cheapest international tickets were ALWAYS available as soon as loaded in CRS's, which with most legacy airlines meant around 50 weeks out.
Worked in travel until a few years ago & would get the regulars, those who would go overseas to Europe or USA every Xmas holidays, call as soon as they got back in late Jan to book the following Dec.
But now, no one will book QF & this will also hurt other airlines, so cash flow will dry up, at least as far as QF international is concerned.
Many members of the public are already resigned to the "fact" that QF is stuffed.
The more QF management & the media talk about it, the worse it will get.
Does this mean that QF will offer incredible earlybird deals ?
Originally Posted by BNEA320
11th Jun 2014, 06:54
is this the end of QF INT ?
$1499 from OZ to LAX return at Xmas, the busiest time of the year.
Things must be really bad.
If they can't sell seats Boxing day to LAX what chance has QF INT of surviving in any form ?
What happens if JQ takes over more QF INT routes ?
In a previous thread someone suggest Flight Centre in NZL were selling AKL/LAX return for $999 but this wouldn't have been peak season, ie. departing mid-late DEC or early JAN.
is this the end of QF INT ?
$1499 from OZ to LAX return at Xmas, the busiest time of the year.
Things must be really bad.
If they can't sell seats Boxing day to LAX what chance has QF INT of surviving in any form ?
What happens if JQ takes over more QF INT routes ?
In a previous thread someone suggest Flight Centre in NZL were selling AKL/LAX return for $999 but this wouldn't have been peak season, ie. departing mid-late DEC or early JAN.
Originally Posted by BNEA320
10th Apr 2015, 02:50
$999 BNE or SYD/LAX return in peak xmas school hols
now there are $999 return fares (including taxes) from both BNE & SYD to LAX departing from 10JAN, which means could do 2 weeks in USA & still get back before kids go back to school January 27 or 28.
Why are airlines doing this ? & we're not talking just a few seats here.
Many bus class types don't pay their own fares, so these aren't as price sensitive.
$999 BNE or SYD/LAX return in peak xmas school hols
now there are $999 return fares (including taxes) from both BNE & SYD to LAX departing from 10JAN, which means could do 2 weeks in USA & still get back before kids go back to school January 27 or 28.
Why are airlines doing this ? & we're not talking just a few seats here.
Many bus class types don't pay their own fares, so these aren't as price sensitive.
Originally Posted by BNEA320
6th May 2017, 06:58
your kidding right ?? Real estate developers/builders/speculators are going belly up left right & centre. It's going to be a bad one. We had to have it though. Everyone thinks they should be paid a $1000 an hour for doing SFA & everyone thinks their ****ty little house is worth $2m. Reality is coming home fast.
Airlines have just started dumping seats at Xmas. Just saw online, an $1100ish return airfare SYD/LAX direct, departing late December. This is when airfares are meant to be very high.
your kidding right ?? Real estate developers/builders/speculators are going belly up left right & centre. It's going to be a bad one. We had to have it though. Everyone thinks they should be paid a $1000 an hour for doing SFA & everyone thinks their ****ty little house is worth $2m. Reality is coming home fast.
Airlines have just started dumping seats at Xmas. Just saw online, an $1100ish return airfare SYD/LAX direct, departing late December. This is when airfares are meant to be very high.
