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Old 4th May 2017, 14:49
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Apart from the ATPL licence test, what has Part 61 introduced that would make it any harder for a cadet to eventually become a Captain?
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Old 5th May 2017, 06:37
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the massive recession we're heading into might take care of any pilot shortage. More OZ pilots heading offshore shortly ?
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Old 5th May 2017, 07:32
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the massive recession we're heading into might take care of any pilot shortage.
Have you got any factual trends to back up your belief in a recession or just the Facebook headlines?
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Old 5th May 2017, 07:50
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The Land Newspaper:

Rex faces testing times for pilots
The major NSW regional air carrier Regional Express (Rex) Airlines has indicated it may have to cut services from the flow-on effect of the 457 visa changes. Rex says it is forced to bring in skilled pilots because it's own trained pilots are being poached by other airlines.
Rex Chief Operating Officer, Neville Howell, said that the 457 scheme allowed airlines to fill the void when pilots were poached, allowing their survival. "Rex is still obliged to recruit overseas as the rate of poaching by the larger carriers is simply staggering" he said.
The new changes will strip aeroplane pilots and aircraft maintenance engineers from the allowable four-year list.
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Old 5th May 2017, 07:57
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The Trans Tasman Agreement should be cancelled. There are so many New Zealand pilots in Australia taking our jobs. For years before we had the HELP scheme, their government funded their full CPL so they could come to Australia and work for their first job and never pay it off.

It's so much of a joke now you regularly hear Aussie GA operators referred to as "Air New Zealand". Once they get in, they hire their NZ mates.

The barrier to entry to gain a NZ licence and chase non-existent jobs over there is much harder than it is for them to come here.

Why hasn't anyone ever brought this up?
Seriously? Come on over and listen to the Aussie accents on the radio with Jetstar jet and prop. There's Kiwis that would like those jobs!
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Old 5th May 2017, 08:37
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Anyone who believes that there isn't currently a shortage of experienced pilots on the hunt for a job is on another planet.

About time us pilots had the upper hand, pay us what we deserve or push your machines to the fence and put a for sale sign on them is my answer to any operator who isn't willing to treat their pilots well.

I and a lot of other pilots have worked our gut's out for years, been paid shit, lived in remote areas, been treated like shit by employers on occasions and been sacked - in my case sacked twice by two busted arse GA companies who were subsequently shut down by CASA.

Don't ask me what I'm doing now, because you won't believe me.
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Old 5th May 2017, 09:43
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Rex says it is forced to bring in skilled pilots because it's own trained pilots are being poached by other airlines.
Ha that's hilarious. I love the hypocrisy of management...

I would love to hear his explanation of how that actually works
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Old 5th May 2017, 09:48
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You have to tell us now Duck. If you don't I'm going to start a rumour that you're HR.
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Old 5th May 2017, 10:25
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I'm not flying, but flying got me to where I am now because I diversified my career and got out of my comfort zone. I'm no longer directly employed in the industry although I might do a bit of flying in my time off for shits and giggles.
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Old 5th May 2017, 20:05
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Old 6th May 2017, 00:03
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Originally Posted by 15C View Post
The Trans Tasman Agreement should be cancelled. There are so many New Zealand pilots in Australia taking our jobs. For years before we had the HELP scheme, their government funded their full CPL so they could come to Australia and work for their first job and never pay it off.

It's so much of a joke now you regularly hear Aussie GA operators referred to as "Air New Zealand". Once they get in, they hire their NZ mates.

The barrier to entry to gain a NZ licence and chase non-existent jobs over there is much harder than it is for them to come here.

Why hasn't anyone ever brought this up?
Absolutely! A great idea!

Jetstar can take their A320s and their Q300s and b****r off.

And then of course QF can be banned from NZ and NZ can be banned from Australia. Then QF can be banned from the NZ oceanic FIR which will stop the SYD-SCL flights and minimise best routings between Australia and the USA.

Protectionism anyone?
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Old 6th May 2017, 01:08
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Let me guess Plugga, your a pole dancer?
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Old 6th May 2017, 06:58
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Have you got any factual trends to back up your belief in a recession or just the Facebook headlines?
your kidding right ?? Real estate developers/builders/speculators are going belly up left right & centre. It's going to be a bad one. We had to have it though. Everyone thinks they should be paid a $1000 an hour for doing SFA & everyone thinks their shitty little house is worth $2m. Reality is coming home fast.

Airlines have just started dumping seats at Xmas. Just saw online, an $1100ish return airfare SYD/LAX direct, departing late December. This is when airfares are meant to be very high.
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Old 6th May 2017, 07:15
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I can not believe that there can ever, ever be a shortage of First Officers in Oz. Given that your average turbo-prop and jet are pretty simple things to learn to fly, not cheap but simple, I can not see why outsiders have to be brought in. After all the rest of the world (ex. USA) trains up 200 hour sprogs. I could see a case for temporary captains for a new start-up or a company that is expanding faster than the local system can provide them, but even then this should only be for a few years. I feel for the guys who see these positions going elsewhere.

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Old 6th May 2017, 08:32
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I don't want to fly with two new space cadets up front.

Insurance companies play a major role in pilot experience and they hold the cards. No insurance, no fly...
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Old 6th May 2017, 08:59
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Hey Framer ask Duck Pilot about his Kidston flight one dark night; that is if really is who you say he is. Ha ha lucky it was two crew hey JT
Lucky he went into journalism is all I can say.
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Old 6th May 2017, 09:54
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Cadet schemes are fantastic for boosting numbers and solving short term problems but a previous employer I worked at got caught out, they had a continued stream of Captains leaving very quickly and they actually ran out of internally suitably experience FOs to upgrade. They had to cancel flights. Great news if your a regional FO, upgrade could be just around the corner.

Pilot Shortages could be company induced also. I was part of a mob (Airbus) once who cut pilot pay by 10% to fund a decline in profits. Half the pilots left cost the company ten fold it was going to save in labour and cancelled half the flights. They paid foreign pilots some incredible figures to assist getting flights operational again. That pilot shortage took about 2-3 years to level out.
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Old 6th May 2017, 21:10
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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
Airlines have just started dumping seats at Xmas. Just saw online, an $1100ish return airfare SYD/LAX direct, departing late December. This is when airfares are meant to be very high.
Prices are high up to Christmas Eve.

Over the past few years they have dropped from Christmas Day onwards
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Old 7th May 2017, 03:57
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Originally Posted by Chris2303 View Post
Prices are high up to Christmas Eve.

Over the past few years they have dropped from Christmas Day onwards
You can get fares around $1300 SYD/LAX return before Xmas. 25DEC is always a quiet day. People want to either arrive before or after. 26DEC is very busy.
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Old 7th May 2017, 03:58
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Alitalia gone-almost certainly

The leftist trade unions in Italy have stuffed Alitalia. Must be a 1,000 Alitalia pilots looking for jobs right now.

Can they still get 457 visas ? Don't think changes to 457's come in for a while ?


Wonder which airline will be next to fold ? Must be a lot of old legacy carriers hanging on by a thread.
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