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This must be very embarrassing for the Author.
The shirts are 65% polyester.
It's never been an issue as pilots have not had to wear a jacket too.
Nor a vinyl hat that has the breathability of a plastic bag.
Captains decision making ability overridden.
Sad that Caltains are entrusted with multi million dollar aircraft but not with discretion on jackets.
The shirts are 65% polyester.
It's never been an issue as pilots have not had to wear a jacket too.
Nor a vinyl hat that has the breathability of a plastic bag.
Captains decision making ability overridden.
Sad that Caltains are entrusted with multi million dollar aircraft but not with discretion on jackets.
Sad that Caltains are entrusted with multi million dollar aircraft but not with discretion on jackets.
If one really needs to demonstrate ones Command Authority one can still continue to override the lesser ranks and mandate the security password
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I understand the "wearing of the uniform" was a 28 page email - print at your own cost to save $$ no doubt - only 28 pages, gee Qantas really are getting their game together.
Gotta ask - is the "27 degrees" defined as:
- departure external environment;
- arrival external environment;
- the transit between the nominal 22 degrees of hotels and taxis/minibuses etc etc??
Equally what is the temperature band ie is 26.1 degrees 27 degrees or 27.0 degrees + 27 degrees?
What is the source of info - Qantas approved no doubt! - used so that all crew are using the same informational reference to ensure consistency and compliancy?
No doubt contained within the 28 page email...if you read the smallprint maybe?
Gotta ask - is the "27 degrees" defined as:
- departure external environment;
- arrival external environment;
- the transit between the nominal 22 degrees of hotels and taxis/minibuses etc etc??
Equally what is the temperature band ie is 26.1 degrees 27 degrees or 27.0 degrees + 27 degrees?
What is the source of info - Qantas approved no doubt! - used so that all crew are using the same informational reference to ensure consistency and compliancy?
No doubt contained within the 28 page email...if you read the smallprint maybe?
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Originally Posted by galdian
What is the source of info - Qantas approved no doubt!
/sarc
Everyone knows it has to be at least AWIS or better with a 15 minute validity.
/sarc
/sarc
Jackets have been an issue in QF because of the current policy. The policy dictates that the Capt makes the decision whether or not they are worn, meaning that most crews will pack a bulky piece of clothing that may or may not be worn depending on the whim of the PIC.
This new policy gets rid of that. The new jacket is lighter, cooler and less bulky than the item it replaces. 95% of the time it will be worn from air-conditioned transport to air-conditioned terminal to air-conditioned aircraft etc etc, unless the temp is over 27 degrees.
It wont be a bulky item taking up space in luggage. Aesthetics aside, it is actually a sensible policy.
This new policy gets rid of that. The new jacket is lighter, cooler and less bulky than the item it replaces. 95% of the time it will be worn from air-conditioned transport to air-conditioned terminal to air-conditioned aircraft etc etc, unless the temp is over 27 degrees.
It wont be a bulky item taking up space in luggage. Aesthetics aside, it is actually a sensible policy.
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Think the easiest way if you feel uncomfortable and too hot wearing a solid vinyl hat and a warm jacket is to explain the dilemma to the Pilot in command.
Individual Body temperatures and sweat levels differ. Men are usually hotter in core temperature than women.
If one is sweating or red faced, then it's visual evidence of discomfort affecting a pilots potential performance. No point sweating, overheating,feeling unwell and making a error or mistake at flight planning or worse on a preflight that could be far worse.
Fill out a Flight crew report.
If it's cool enough then comply with the policy and wear the jacket. If pilots had to wear shirts only it would look perfectly acceptable and smart provided ties are done up, shirts tucked in etc.
A rotund pilot sweating in a tight fitted jacket would be a far worse sight!
Abusing Flight ops managers/AIPA and simply complaining on here,or Qrewroom, or the bar, won't change it.
For all their criticisms, Sadly gone are the days of strong leaders such as Kearns/Heiniger/Manning that would of stopped such Impracticalities and upheld the current FAM. But to be fair I think todays office pilots are ranked far lower than HR/Marketing etc etc. They are not as important or even influential like the old days. Through no fault of their own, office roles are now essentially admin positions with very little say in anything including jackets/hats/uniforms.
Flight Crew Reports are the best answer to get this changed.
Individual Body temperatures and sweat levels differ. Men are usually hotter in core temperature than women.
If one is sweating or red faced, then it's visual evidence of discomfort affecting a pilots potential performance. No point sweating, overheating,feeling unwell and making a error or mistake at flight planning or worse on a preflight that could be far worse.
Fill out a Flight crew report.
If it's cool enough then comply with the policy and wear the jacket. If pilots had to wear shirts only it would look perfectly acceptable and smart provided ties are done up, shirts tucked in etc.
A rotund pilot sweating in a tight fitted jacket would be a far worse sight!
Abusing Flight ops managers/AIPA and simply complaining on here,or Qrewroom, or the bar, won't change it.
For all their criticisms, Sadly gone are the days of strong leaders such as Kearns/Heiniger/Manning that would of stopped such Impracticalities and upheld the current FAM. But to be fair I think todays office pilots are ranked far lower than HR/Marketing etc etc. They are not as important or even influential like the old days. Through no fault of their own, office roles are now essentially admin positions with very little say in anything including jackets/hats/uniforms.
Flight Crew Reports are the best answer to get this changed.
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Through no fault of their own, office roles are now essentially admin positions with very little say in anything including jackets/hats/uniforms.
Flight Crew Reports are the best answer to get this changed
Last edited by CaptCloudbuster; 20th Oct 2016 at 15:25.
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Indeed. AIPA have no input or influence post EA agreement.
Enough Flight crew Reports is now the only way anything changes.
You really think anything can happen today in Qantas without a form?
Unsurprisingly CSMs have discretion wearing their uniforms but not Captains.
FAAA must really have some influence.
Enough Flight crew Reports is now the only way anything changes.
You really think anything can happen today in Qantas without a form?
Unsurprisingly CSMs have discretion wearing their uniforms but not Captains.
FAAA must really have some influence.
I think of myself as a bit part actor in an airline based farce directed from somewhere on the Campus.
If I then think of the uniform as a costume that keeps the director happy so that he keeps paying me every fortnight, it's a lot more palatable.
Seriously, it's the idea of someone, somewhere of what a pilot should look like so good luck to them. It doesn't represent anything these days anyway other than the cheapest pilot the group can find from various sub-contracted agencies willing to do the job.
Wear it, toss it in the back of the car at the end of the trip, go home, chuck it back on at the start of the next trip, get paid, live life. Simples.
If I then think of the uniform as a costume that keeps the director happy so that he keeps paying me every fortnight, it's a lot more palatable.
Seriously, it's the idea of someone, somewhere of what a pilot should look like so good luck to them. It doesn't represent anything these days anyway other than the cheapest pilot the group can find from various sub-contracted agencies willing to do the job.
Wear it, toss it in the back of the car at the end of the trip, go home, chuck it back on at the start of the next trip, get paid, live life. Simples.
The thinking behind the white hats by the designer
Source: vogue.com.au
I don't think it looks that bad. From the pic in the article, is the white hat an option, ie, can you chose between white and black?
He researched pilots uniforms across the board, across history and then specifically Qantas. “The origin of the uniform is actually naval-based, because when aircraft were invented the only thing that they had were naval uniforms, so they just wore the same kind of uniform, more than the fighter pilots’ leather jacket and cap,” he explains.
“It’s so subtle the changes that we could make, but really cool is the new white top of the hat, because in the last 30 years I think the majority of airline companies switched to a black or a dark top. Qantas had the white top up until the 70s. So I wanted to take it back to a slightly more nostalgic feel, back to that ground-roots travel.”
“It’s so subtle the changes that we could make, but really cool is the new white top of the hat, because in the last 30 years I think the majority of airline companies switched to a black or a dark top. Qantas had the white top up until the 70s. So I wanted to take it back to a slightly more nostalgic feel, back to that ground-roots travel.”
I don't think it looks that bad. From the pic in the article, is the white hat an option, ie, can you chose between white and black?
Its the badge that really grates people
(Re the hat)
(Re the hat)
It looks like both those hats (and the wings) are straight from naval stores. I'd happily wear them (probably even have a set in a box somewhere). The trouble is that this new hat is from 'Catch Me If You Can'.
Actually, I think the shirts are the worst part of the uniform. The hats are only second.
Mandatory jackets is a positive, as it hides the shirt.
Actually, I think the shirts are the worst part of the uniform. The hats are only second.
Mandatory jackets is a positive, as it hides the shirt.
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