Tiger bonding
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Fuel-Off I agree. I don't think foreign airlines are particularly head hunting Australian pilots per se because they are superior, despite what some news articles suggest such as the Australian article the other day describing Australian pilots "as a target market, as they are well-trained, with good cross-cultural communication skills, and they are perceived to be very capable of adapting to the local culture and flying environment". If there were significant candidates available in Antartica I'm sure they would send recruitment roadshows there too.
I know this is suppose to be a negative forum, but opportunities in the short to mid term for jobs both in Australia and abroad look better than just alright and that's got to be a good thing.
I know this is suppose to be a negative forum, but opportunities in the short to mid term for jobs both in Australia and abroad look better than just alright and that's got to be a good thing.
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Might wanna re-think that last statement. Most Qantas cadets that have just started have in excess of 3000 hours and when the flood gates open you can bet your arse guys with 5000 hours plus, including turbo-prop command will apply...
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S/O's are intentionally paid high salaries
While the QF 787 conditions amount to a kind of B Scale, I'm very sure you could reduce the terms even further and still find the number of positions available massively oversubscribed with more-than-adequate candidates. (Shhhh...don't tell management!).
Such is the allure (and pay, benefits etc) of working for the national carrier and the lack of supply of similarly highly attractive positions in the Australian pilot job market.
But back to the subject of Bonding. I hope the Tiger guys can get something fair and reasonable sorted.
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If the 787 starts replacing the A380 on some of the current long haul legs then the pay for many A380 crew may decrease markedly. If QF replace an A380 to LHR with a 787 via PER and transition the A380 instead to HKG that will start to impact things. A 787 daily from SYD and MEL to DFW to replace the A380 currently doing SYD- DFW would have an impact also. These are all options that QF have floated previously.
I don't reckon QF will be caught short of applicants in the short to medium term.
I don't reckon QF will be caught short of applicants in the short to medium term.
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I believe they are worthy of what they are paid for the role they play in the company is what I was trying to get at.
As for short haul FOs deserving more...I couldn't agree more
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Thanks Keg.
Looks like the Longreach fella wasn't kidding.
Yep, not a whole lot of folk are going to toss in a major airline gig with the scenario they describe above. If they drop the red tape and medical routine they might actually get some people interested. Know several blokes doing 900-1000 hours a year living in Sydney that could do with 4 times the take home pay!
Looks like the Longreach fella wasn't kidding.
“It’s the documentation, the work permits, the immigration, the medicals,” she said. “They say they want pilots, but there aren’t the resources.’’
Chinese contracts are good if they work out! One bloke I know personally that resigned his command to go there spent 12 months on training pay trying to get his Chinese licence issued and then was 'let go' due to paperwork irregularities, they wouldn't specify what irregularities. So, if you can get the medical and licence issued and live on the training wage and maintain the medical and licence then you could earn $25,000 per month.
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About QF taking guys within the group from Qlink and JQ..... yes probably a few but they won't empty the place out especially now that they are desperately short on crew. That is the reason I left after 8 years, because I knew that Q400 skipper is the best you will ever get and I got that impression within the first month. Period. If they had a pathway in place to QF I never would have left.
And you can bet your arse that plenty of experienced VA 737 drivers will be applying for QF for the job security alone. No one is sure VA will still be around 5 years from now. We had a few guys in NZ turn down commands and go to Air NZ, speaks volumes!!
And you can bet your arse that plenty of experienced VA 737 drivers will be applying for QF for the job security alone. No one is sure VA will still be around 5 years from now. We had a few guys in NZ turn down commands and go to Air NZ, speaks volumes!!
No one is sure VA will still be around 5 years from now.
I have heard that the Qantas board is exploring ways to keep group within the group such as providing a pathway to mainline during the upcoming recruitment drive. That came from a group company chief pilot, it could be bollocks, but this is a rumour network after all!
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See my previous post at 55. Current QF group policy is that vacancies are advertised internally in the group before they are advertised externally. That is extant policy and it should apply to S/O positions also.
Whether they choose to enforce it given the significant impact it could have on the regionals remains to be seen.
Whether they choose to enforce it given the significant impact it could have on the regionals remains to be seen.
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2 years +/-, depends on what's required. Allegedly all contract positions offered will have a fixed time. After which you can go wherever you like, or you can stay in a position that accords with the seniority you hold on the GDOJ.
With a dash of Kiwi in the family so I guess that's where the bias comes from 
Add to that the attempt to extort a bond out of those considering whether they will stay or leave is just pig ignorant corporate stupidity which will bite them on the arse, big time.
THERE IS NO BONDING IN TIGER.
Just the pig ignorant outsiders that haven’t read the contract.
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Are you suggesting that he/she is free to seek employment elsewhere without any financial penalty whatsoever?
Or are you suggesting that Tiger are merely attempting to bluff pilots into believing there is a bond, when this is not part of the agreement?
Are the answers to these questions only available after clarification in court?
From AFAP briefing of 29 Jun 16:
Bond and type freezes – We suggested that the Company consider reducing the length of the bond period for all pilots taking a position on the initial start-up of the B737 operation to 24 months. This can be contrasted with pilots who move onto the B737 in future having a bond/ freeze of 36 months apply, creating an incentive to take up an initial seat.
Further, to encourage bidding for B737 FO positions, we suggested that the Company consider waiving the bond after the 12 month type freeze where an FO takes up a command on the A320. We note that A320 FOs are indicating reluctance to bid because they are concerned about getting their command on the A320 and do not want to be bonded for 36 months as an FO on the B737.
Further, to encourage bidding for B737 FO positions, we suggested that the Company consider waiving the bond after the 12 month type freeze where an FO takes up a command on the A320. We note that A320 FOs are indicating reluctance to bid because they are concerned about getting their command on the A320 and do not want to be bonded for 36 months as an FO on the B737.
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Just wondering
Often contracts have to be revised/amended/adjusted when changes are made, obviously a lot going on at the moment in the Virgin empire regards fleets, crews etc and would imagine that will have to happen here.
Maybe the idea of bonding is part of that process??
Often contracts have to be revised/amended/adjusted when changes are made, obviously a lot going on at the moment in the Virgin empire regards fleets, crews etc and would imagine that will have to happen here.
Maybe the idea of bonding is part of that process??