Brisbane FOG
CAT 111, Na, not in the only third world country where you can drink the water.
Much more tax free money to be made building car parks.
Much more tax free money to be made building car parks.
With the very greatest of respect, Low Wx Minima Procedures and associated gear will be available when the airlines agree to pay in increased charges, which they won't.
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Low Wx Minima Procedures and associated gear will be available when the airlines agree to pay in increased charges, which they won't.
At 10 cents a head that's $2 200 000. Realistically you could charge $1 head and people would never know given the amount of tax/charges that is thrown upon this industry. And that would be a one off infrastructure tax for 12 months not an ongoing one.
Realistically you can fund anything in aviation relatively easily it's just all the BS politics and ideology gets in the way of sound decision making.
Last edited by neville_nobody; 20th Jul 2016 at 07:41.
It's the business model for the transport industry. Make the punter pay for some or all of your product now, then provide it later. The airlines know it, that's why they agreed.
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GBAS
The current GBAS system only allows cat 1 operations but will be able to do Cat11 and even Cat111 further down the track.
Once fully certified it will be by far the best system there is but that does seem quite a way off yet
Satellite Navigation - Ground Based Augmentation System (GBAS)
Once fully certified it will be by far the best system there is but that does seem quite a way off yet
Satellite Navigation - Ground Based Augmentation System (GBAS)
Originally Posted by Underfire
What happened to the RNP procedures, QF used to use those in the fog.
If airports in India and Africa have LVO you really gotta wonder - Australia is a 3rd world country in regards to aviation infrastructure (barely any LVO, 45m runways and no taxi edge lights such as in Perth).
Fog diversions due to the lack of LVO is like "Guns in America" - it comes up every time there is a mass shooting and nothing gets done anyway.
Fog diversions due to the lack of LVO is like "Guns in America" - it comes up every time there is a mass shooting and nothing gets done anyway.
If airports in India and Africa have LVO you really gotta wonder...
It's an economic argument. Will the cost of installation and maintenance of a Cat III system outweigh the cost of possibly less than 10 days per year of disruption due to low vis?
It will be interesting to see if the rumoured introduction of a LHR/Europe direct Perth operation by Qantas on the 789 will be preceded by the installation of a Cat III ILS in Perth. Carrying additional fuel for a diversion to Kalgoorlie over 16 or 18 hours would soon add up if the Alternate Criteria remains based on Cat I.
It will be interesting to see if the rumoured introduction of a LHR/Europe direct Perth operation by Qantas on the 789 will be preceded by the installation of a Cat III ILS in Perth.
https://www.airservicesaustralia.com...up/a16-h17.pdf
Just curious, but what is QF's fuel policy when operating to an airport that's forecast to require LVO? Where I work, we would need an alternate. In the case of PER, that would normally be ADL, so while the availability of a Cat III approach will reduce the number of diversions, it doesn't actually help when it comes to payload capability.
I suspect they'd need to do a shedload of upgrades at Kal to make it suitable for use as an international alternate!
Carrying additional fuel for a diversion to Kalgoorlie over 16 or 18 hours would soon add up if the Alternate Criteria remains based on Cat I.
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QF need an alternate at airports with LVO. The alternate criteria may be a bit lower than at a non LVO airport but not low enough to mitigate the need for an alternate.
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In the 767 days we would ideally carry Kalgoorlie or Learmonth or if necessary ADL as an alternate for Perth when operating from HKG, SIN or NRT. As far as I know that's still the case for A330 and would probably be the case for a 789.
I guess it depends on the airline and the approvals it has in place. At CX we can't plan to use Kalgoorlie, Learmonth or Port Hedland, mainly due to the RFF coverage. For us, Kalgoorlie is classed as 'Emergency Use Only'.
We had an A340 divert to Hedland several years ago due to unforecast fog in Perth. The local shire wasn't happy because of the lack of parking space on the apron and told us not to do it again! I'm guessing Kalgoorlie would be similar.
We had an A340 divert to Hedland several years ago due to unforecast fog in Perth. The local shire wasn't happy because of the lack of parking space on the apron and told us not to do it again! I'm guessing Kalgoorlie would be similar.
