Wikiposts
Search
Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

A new player joins VA.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11th Jun 2016, 04:08
  #41 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: International
Age: 76
Posts: 1,394
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
TBM

If it was not for foreign investors propping up Virgin at great financial expense to themselves Virgin would have been dead and buried for some time due to insolvency.

You may be aware it was necessary to borrow $425,000,000 from the 4 major shareholders less than 3 months ago to pay bills. Since then a further $159,000,000 has been received from the HNA Aviation Group. A major capital raising of possibly $1,000,000,000 will be necessary very soon and possibly initiated prior to 30/06/16.
B772 is offline  
Old 11th Jun 2016, 05:49
  #42 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: in the stars... looking at the gutter.
Posts: 463
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
I don't imagine pollies are too concerned about foreign airlines blowing their dough on the Australian aviation industry casino table. It's not exports that benefit us so much as the money paid in return, and Virgin is a neat little importer of foreign money.

Less than illustrious history and circumstances for the company Air NZ sold its Virgin Australia stake to..

http://www.afr.com/news/world/asia/c...0141210-124hsz

Last edited by Goat Whisperer; 11th Jun 2016 at 05:49. Reason: link not visible
Goat Whisperer is offline  
Old 11th Jun 2016, 10:18
  #43 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,276
Received 36 Likes on 27 Posts
I don't have a problem with foreign investment . The whining that takes place when the Chinese try and buy a few cattle stations is what I meant. You can't take those out of the country .

It has still got me stuffed how the mailroom boy stays in place with the numbers like they are
TBM-Legend is offline  
Old 11th Jun 2016, 13:46
  #44 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: asdfgh
Posts: 57
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ANZ buys their stake for 400+ Million
Sells for half.

rexxxxxy is offline  
Old 11th Jun 2016, 20:28
  #45 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: nz
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rexxxxxy
ANZ buys their stake for 400+ Million
Sells for half.

Yeah they should have learnt about investing in poor performing Aussie Airlines a long time ago.
cnsnz is offline  
Old 12th Jun 2016, 06:19
  #46 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: International
Age: 76
Posts: 1,394
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Do not forget Air New Zealand were the largest shareholder in VAH and have only sold a part of their holding in VAH to the Nanshan Group.

There is a lot more to this story to follow during the next 12 months or so including a delisting from the ASX as I indicated in another thread on 30/03/16.
B772 is offline  
Old 15th Jun 2016, 02:31
  #47 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,276
Received 36 Likes on 27 Posts
The "mailroom clerk" does not have a clue>>>>

Virgin Australia taps shareholders for $852 million, jobs shed in restructure - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
TBM-Legend is offline  
Old 15th Jun 2016, 03:52
  #48 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Brisvegas
Posts: 3,878
Likes: 0
Received 246 Likes on 106 Posts
Icarus2001 is online now  
Old 5th Jul 2016, 00:52
  #49 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: International
Age: 76
Posts: 1,394
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
VAH shares are now down 60% since mid January 2016.

Debt covenants looking shaky !.
B772 is offline  
Old 5th Jul 2016, 06:24
  #50 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,276
Received 36 Likes on 27 Posts
Shades of Custer to Sitting Bull : Surrender, we have you surrounded!
TBM-Legend is offline  
Old 6th Jul 2016, 01:51
  #51 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,276
Received 36 Likes on 27 Posts
Here is the news:

Virgin to book big annual net loss
32 MINUTES AGOJULY 6, 2016
By Lilly VitorovichAAP
Virgin Australia is set for a big full-year loss after announcing its restructure will cost as much as $450 million.
Australia's second biggest airline has reaffirmed its guidance for pre-tax underlying profit of $30 million to $60 million, but its bottom line will be hit by costs and writedowns of between $410 million and $450 million.
That includes $100 million of fourth-quarter restructuring costs, and $155 million to $175 million of non-cash impairments associated with a three-year cost-cutting program announced by the carrier last month.
The remainder of the costs and writedowns confirmed on Wednesday include the $59.4 million already announced in the group's interim results, plus an additional $100 million to $115 million related to an overhaul of its fleet.
TBM-Legend is offline  
Old 6th Jul 2016, 09:47
  #52 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Western Pacific
Posts: 721
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Isn't this what QF did? Big write down, doom & gloom all round. Then a surprising turn around the following year. If that is the case, Virgin will come back with a big profit next year. Nothing to worry about.
Oakape is offline  
Old 17th Aug 2016, 08:13
  #53 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: N/A
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hong Kong Airlines Virgin Australia CAPA
Strewth is offline  
Old 17th Aug 2016, 08:29
  #54 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: deepest darkest recess of your mind
Posts: 1,017
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Oakape,
Yes they did, and NO they won't. But you knew that.......
porch monkey is offline  
Old 17th Aug 2016, 09:15
  #55 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
Posts: 1,433
Received 207 Likes on 69 Posts
Looks like pay freeze and new EBA's all round then, just like Qantas.
Ollie Onion is offline  
Old 20th Aug 2016, 10:05
  #56 (permalink)  
atlas12
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Yep, followed by big profit announcements. Sounds all to familiar
 
Old 21st Aug 2016, 01:00
  #57 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 606
Received 13 Likes on 3 Posts
Atlas, can't see any big profit announcements - that would mean they would have to actually make a profit!
Snakecharma is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2016, 00:47
  #58 (permalink)  
atlas12
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
hehe too true!!
 
Old 20th Sep 2016, 06:58
  #59 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 340
Received 53 Likes on 26 Posts
Originally Posted by Snakecharma
The ownership structure of the international airline is different to that of the domestic airline.

Domestic airlines are allowed to be 100% foreign owned, whereas Australian designated international carriers must be 51% Australian owned.

The exception to all of this is Qantas by virtue of the Qantas sale act - how exactly it differs I couldn't tell you as I have not bothered to look other than I remember the discussion when VA split itself up into different entities in order to facilitate the differing ownership structures.
The Qantas Sale Act requires a number of things to ensure the long-term viability of Qantas v.v. the national interest and to meet the obligations of International Air Services as per the Air Navigation Regulations.
The carrier must be 51% Australian owned, it must maintain it's principal business headquarters and operational base in Australia, the Chairman must be an Australian Citizen as must the CEO (not sure about the last one but I think the CEO does have that requirement), the trading name used for "... international passenger services offered by the Company..." must include the expression 'QANTAS'. Foreign ownership is thus capped at 49% and originally any airline or other consortia holding an interest was limited to 35% with any single airline limited to 25% but these last two have been removed and there is just the 49% foreign cap now. The Board is required to review the register monthly and any shares in excess of the 49% cap are to be stripped of voting rights which then vest in the Chairman and the Board while those shares are compulsorily acquired or subject to forced divestment to ensure the 49% cap is maintained. It is arguable that the old 25/35 limit is not required now as many investment banks and other institutions like the Commonwealth Bank are significant shareholders so the likelihood would seem slim that an airline would be able to get more than 20%.
The Commonwealth of Australia retains one single share in Qantas Airways Limited called the 'Golden Share' which provides special rights and privileges to the Commonwealth to veto any decision of the Board or Management which is not in the national interest. Costello chose not to exercise it though when APA were looking to aggressively acquire Qantas so it would seem to depend on the will of the Minister at the time.
AerialPerspective is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.