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Company confirming today the Embraer fleet will be completely phased out over the next 3 years.

Some ATRs to go as well.

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Old 17th Jun 2016, 03:40
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It appears AuzPilotand and splat72 maybe the same poster.

The $1,000,000,000 capital raising is to pay 12 month loans ($425,000,000) and the remainder to prop the share capital up. There are no funds available to purchase anyone.
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Old 17th Jun 2016, 06:02
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There may be funds there possibly ?

$584m balance start
+$425 m loan

$1009m balance

+$159m HNA purchase
+$852m right issue

$2022m balance
-$425m loan repayment

$1597m balance (extra 1b)

-250m restructure cost

$1347 balance
Maybe some spare capital to purchase another asset ? Might be possible who knows.
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Old 17th Jun 2016, 06:10
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I'm going to weigh in with VH-FTS here -

Soup Nazi, could you flesh out your statement about the suitability or otherwise of the ATR? Genuine question...
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Old 17th Jun 2016, 10:03
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And while you are at it Soup Nazi, can you expand in your comment about the E190 being the wrong aircraft for Australia.

Given what happened with VARA, I can't see VA purchasing another operator ie Alliance, but I can see them having a long term agreement (5-10 years) with Alliance to take over some of the E190 and ATR routes.
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Old 17th Jun 2016, 12:23
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I can't believe they bought a great little airline in Skywest and......
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Old 17th Jun 2016, 23:06
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No being rude but let me correct your maths there,

$584m balance start
+$425 m loan

$1009m balance Correct

+$159m HNA purchase
+$852m right issue

$2022m balance
-$425m loan repayment
-$160m loan repayment (US$125M due August)

$1437m balance

-250m restructure cost (I think you will find this increases significantly)

$1187 balance

-350m (approx. delivery deposits for MAX)

$837 remaining

Back to square 1
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I can't believe they bought a great little airline in Skywest and......


Yeah great..
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Old 18th Jun 2016, 05:01
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Thanks for the correction TWO BAGS, as I said "who would know??" myself included.
350m for delivery slots
Where is this public info ??
Are you on the order team for VA or do you work for Boeing ??
If the are deposits would they not already have been paid?
Next delivery max due 2018 not 2016? So that capital requirement is at least two years away ?
Again please correct my mistakes, I'm sure there possible may be some.
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Old 18th Jun 2016, 05:04
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Heard through the grapevine that they are buying rex.... cough
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Old 18th Jun 2016, 05:11
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Adding 340s to the fleet as well... no wonder they felt the need to rationalise
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Old 18th Jun 2016, 05:52
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At least that part of the operation will make them money.
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Old 18th Jun 2016, 07:03
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Heard the some Australian operator has ordered 17 E2s, might be for that? Would be interesting if they are quiet enough to operate inside the curfew hours

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Old 18th Jun 2016, 07:07
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Do you mean Rex? Didn't they make a loss last year?
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Old 18th Jun 2016, 07:48
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B 772

Not at All.
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Old 18th Jun 2016, 08:20
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Personally I think the executive needs to get its **** in a pile and manage what it has appropriately before buying anything else.

The Skywest deal was great for the previous owners and that is about it.

Remember the bidding war over hazos in the period before Ansett went legs up, seems like history is repeating itself over and over.
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Old 20th Jun 2016, 05:45
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Buy Rex? Just what they need... another operator with a bunch of clapped out Sh!theaps.
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Old 20th Jun 2016, 08:07
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Clapped out sh!theaps that 'make money'. As opposed to the slow and exceedingly expensive italian/french junk they have at the moment, which makes squat.
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Green Goblin, funniest post in this whole thread
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Old 20th Jun 2016, 23:04
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Berealgetreal, I'm no fan of Rex either, but perhaps you should do some homework:

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/re...er-loss-2016-2

They have a monopoly on most of the routes they fly and I don't know of many other Aussie airlines around who can say they've pulled a profit every year since 2002, do you?
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Old 20th Jun 2016, 23:37
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Maybe you should read my post. Which says - last thing they (Virgin) need is another type (which is clapped out).

Given they(Rex) have a "monopoly on most routes" as you say, makes sense that they would make money out of them wouldn't it?

Why would I spend my time reading about some bloody turbo prop outfit? The only time I've seen media on them is when they are writing stupid letters to would be cadets or having industrial action taken against them for one reason or another. Pretty clear where some of that profit comes from!

Wouldn't have a clue what Atr vs Saab numbers are. Who cares?
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