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Old 11th Sep 2017, 10:59
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I love this thread. The way unsuccessful applicants carry on like pork chops seems quite befitting.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 11:00
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Originally Posted by Flyboy1987
Same!
Bit rough after being told at the sim stage "if you pass the sim, you'll be reference checked and then you're in, we're not here to cull anyone"

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Oh well, good to hear it worked out for you mate!
Does "in" mean a start or the hold file?
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 11:23
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Originally Posted by pinkpanther1
Does "in" mean a start or the hold file?
Hold file.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 11:27
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Originally Posted by lo_lyf
I love this thread. The way unsuccessful applicants carry on like pork chops seems quite befitting.
Yes we are all "carrying on"
Some of us that were unsuccessful have gone into bigger and better things within 12 months and don't need to bother with qlink.

Good luck to all in hold, I'm sure your number will come up soon.
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Yes we are all "carrying on"
Some of us that were unsuccessful have gone into bigger and better things within 12 months and don't need to bother with qlink.

Good luck to all in hold, I'm sure your number will come up soon.
I wasn't referring to you mate. You seem to be level headed. Lucky you who avoided the rat.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 23:28
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Originally Posted by lo_lyf
I wasn't referring to you mate. You seem to be level headed. Lucky you who avoided the rat.
All good mate!

Just hope all the guys know that there are quite a few opportunities around ATM, don't sit up north in your c210 waiting for a qlink start date if you're a level 2 trainee, job hunt, qlink will call you eventually.
I understand it's hard to leave a stable job, especially if you're on hold with the link, but you may be waiting forever and miss other opportunities.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 23:38
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Originally Posted by lo_lyf
I wasn't referring to you mate. You seem to be level headed. Lucky you who avoided the rat.
Why this negative conversations about you're national airline? I thought for Australian this would be the dream? For me coming here it is. I am interested but giving more options the thought now.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 02:18
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Heard a couple of guys up north and northwest got the call up last week. Both had been on the hold file for over 12 months.
Seem to be still churning through the candidates, however less are taking up the offer

Originally Posted by Hold_Filer
Why this negative conversations about you're national airline? I thought for Australian this would be the dream? For me coming here it is. I am interested but giving more options the thought now.
Getting worked harder and paid less than some charter companies is no longer just a dream. Qlink is more national GA than airline

At least we get the hat though.
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Originally Posted by Hold_Filer
Why this negative conversations about you're national airline? I thought for Australian this would be the dream? For me coming here it is. I am interested but giving more options the thought now.
I'm sure qlink would be a great job, but not the only great job going around.
My only advice for people on hold would be to keep an eye out for other options, especially if you're a level 2 trainee, this recruitment drive may attract 50 DE applicants.
People have been known to be on the hold file for years.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 19:14
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It's worth the wait although I agree it isn't fair to keep people waiting for so long. They seem to feel good about just having all your names in the hat.

However, if you get the call it's a great start to your airline career.
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Originally Posted by thelunchbox
Heard a couple of guys up north and northwest got the call up last week. Both had been on the hold file for over 12 months.
Seem to be still churning through the candidates, however less are taking up the offer
Level 2's?

Can anyone give any definite info on level 2's starting? With enough people saying the captains hats are too white to take on 'inexperienced' pilots/the program hasn't started yet, it's hard to tell whether a position at QLink is actually tangible for the level 2's on hold.
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Originally Posted by TUNKA
Level 2's?

Can anyone give any definite info on level 2's starting? With enough people saying the captains hats are too white to take on 'inexperienced' pilots/the program hasn't started yet, it's hard to tell whether a position at QLink is actually tangible for the level 2's on hold.
All DE. To reiterate what flyby said. Don't wait around for the link, especially if you already have a little bit of multi.
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 01:57
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Getting worked harder and paid less than some charter companies is no longer just a dream. Qlink is more national GA than airline

At least we get the hat though.
I'm going to try and add a bit of balance to this argument. There is plenty of coin to be made and Qlink and it is by far the most enjoyable job I have ever worked in. The travel benefits are great too.

I am a year 2 FO in the least busy base, on the 65% base wage. I'm working on average 20-25 hours duty a week barely ever doing a call-in, my group certificate read a bit over 90K last financial year. My counterparts from ground school earned similar. Some who wanted to work more got into 6 figures. (not me, I'm lazy)

Those who join on the 55% wage can effectively expect 10 grand less than my wage for the first three years. This means you'll still earn 80-90k PA, living in a major city working in a much safer environment than any GA company. Commands will be quicker than they have been in the past. I'd estimate I'm about 6 months off a command. 2.5 years ain't bad!

Not saying this will happen forever but guys in the T&C department and even some line Captains who are on the classic fleet, helping out over the ditch are earning circa 250k PA. 1 SYD (line)captain got very close to 300k last financial year (he might have even hit it).

So for those reading the wage bashing, it's simply not true and there is plenty of coin to be made in this job. It is a far superior job than any GA company I worked for (and I worked for 4). If anyone's got more questions feel free to PM me.
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Originally Posted by Frank_The_Tank
I'm going to try and add a bit of balance to this argument. There is plenty of coin to be made and Qlink and it is by far the most enjoyable job I have ever worked in. The travel benefits are great too.

I am a year 2 FO in the least busy base, on the 65% base wage. I'm working on average 20-25 hours duty a week barely ever doing a call-in, my group certificate read a bit over 90K last financial year. My counterparts from ground school earned similar. Some who wanted to work more got into 6 figures. (not me, I'm lazy)

Those who join on the 55% wage can effectively expect 10 grand less than my wage for the first three years. This means you'll still earn 80-90k PA, living in a major city working in a much safer environment than any GA company. Commands will be quicker than they have been in the past. I'd estimate I'm about 6 months off a command. 2.5 years ain't bad!

Not saying this will happen forever but guys in the T&C department and even some line Captains who are on the classic fleet, helping out over the ditch are earning circa 250k PA. 1 SYD (line)captain got very close to 300k last financial year (he might have even hit it).

So for those reading the wage bashing, it's simply not true and there is plenty of coin to be made in this job. It is a far superior job than any GA company I worked for (and I worked for 4). If anyone's got more questions feel free to PM me.
Hey Frank, no wage bashing intended. It just seems as if it's a sign of the times.
When you've got ga and regional (using that term very loosely) operators offering well over 100k base to fly a death pencil it makes you wonder. There are so many other options now.

If you're looking to stay with the props then qlink is hard to beat. Otherwise why wouldn't you go to Rex, airnorth, skippers etc get a command in 12 months from starting then go to jetstar.

There's no doubt that the money has improved but with the movement going around it can't stay stagnant.

Remember these guys aren't doing roadshows because theyd like to do everyone in GA a massive favour and save you the commute, but because crew are going elsewhere or waiting for something better.
There was a time when they'd charge you a couple hundred $$$ just to sit the psych testing. It's nice to see the tables favouring the pilots for once.

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Originally Posted by Frank_The_Tank
So for those reading the wage bashing, it's simply not true and there is plenty of coin to be made in this job. It is a far superior job than any GA company I worked for (and I worked for 4). If anyone's got more questions feel free to PM me.
Thanks for giving an in sight to the company and a more upbeat response to what has been here recently. Do you have an information on current recruitment? Some people have been on the hold file for 12 months, is this length of time going to improve in your opinion?
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 13:13
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Thanks for giving an in sight to the company and a more upbeat response to what has been here recently. Do you have an information on current recruitment? Some people have been on the hold file for 12 months, is this length of time going to improve in your opinion?
It's honestly a great company. However they're just so busy that they literally don't have to training capacity to cope which is probably why you don't see much progress.
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Latest from the rumour mill is class sizes are decreasing with fewer than 10 in the past couple of courses. Surely the roadshow was proof that they are still short.....fingers crossed anyway.
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 22:06
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Latest from the rumour mill is class sizes are decreasing with fewer than 10 in the past couple of courses. Surely the roadshow was proof that they are still short.....fingers crossed anyway.

Excuse my ignorance but is the reason the size of the classes have decreased because they can't fill those positions of have had to reduce due to available resources or something different altogether?
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Remember these guys aren't doing roadshows because theyd like to do everyone in GA a massive favour and save you the commute, but because crew are going elsewhere or waiting for something better.
There was a time when they'd charge you a couple hundred $$$ just to sit the psych testing. It's nice to see the tables favouring the pilots for once.
They certainly aren't doing it because they respect the profession of the contribution. They struggle to attract applicants. The easy picking GA fruit tree in Australia sustained major and regional airlines for decades. Now a combination of adversarial IR and demographics means that tree is dying.

  • Gaining qualifications is extremely expensive
  • Time taken to gain requisite qualifications (ATPL etc)
  • Other more viable alternatives
  • Adversarial employee relations
Means people choose other occupations.As is the case in Europe and the USA regional airlines (which feed the majors) are really struggling. The major airlines slotted to retire big chunks of flight crew by 2020, highlights how acute the problem is.

Who can afford to live in a major city when remuneration levels for First Officers are so low? As is the case in Europe and USA, expensive cities are suffering the most, those applicants signing up want cheaper cities in which to live.


One wonders whether Qlink will get enough pilots for Sydney? As they are amusingly finding out with the turboprop operation flying JQ in NZ, they cannot find pilots, as evidenced by large numbers of flights continued to be crewed by Australians on secondment, at huge cost..

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It has to be training resources for sure. JQ nz is still doing interviews I think its a matter of getting courses sorted with training staff, I doubt filling them would be an issue as there is a bunch of QLINK/JQ pilots on active hold. Pretty much a way of saying we will call you when we need you, in the meanwhile we don't have to pay you. Fair enough makes sense. Saves $$$

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Excuse my ignorance but is the reason the size of the classes have decreased because they can't fill those positions of have had to reduce due to available resources or something different altogether?
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