Qantas 787 recruitment for cadetship
If they left their old info in their new update, and Qantas noticed it in there, then they would notice that there was a lack of thought in their application. So there! 
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Hopefully all of the Cadets and LOI holders can get to Sydney in 2 days, and their current employers are happy with just two days notice of resignation. A330 ground school starts in April... I read it right here!
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They put out an EOI for pilots to be involved in the recruitment process. That closed a couple of weeks back. I've not spoken to anyone who's heard back from that process yet.
The latest rumour I've heard is that General Recruitment may not be looked at until the last quarter of the calendar year.
There perhaps seems to be an intent to try and get it all closer to the point where they are able to have new recruits go onto the 787.
Until then, it looks like the current shortages will be managed with LWOP returnees, many of whom are 747 crew, (so that should ease the shortage on that fleet somewhat), and MOU returnees slotting back in over time as per the Agreement.
Also, there may still be the possibility of Cadet/ex-letter of intent holder recruitment (perhaps to fill the current and increasing shortage on the A330? Who knows for sure…).
So it looks like the current shortage will be managed and massaged for a little while longer.
To throw some fuel on the fire, (and again, these are all RUMOURS, and it is entirely possible that the Chinese whispers have mixed the message a little bit), but the info I have indicates there has quite possibly been some thought in opening up the JQ MOU for those eligible, to ease the shortage further up the chain (F/O slots etc)… make of that what you will.
There perhaps seems to be an intent to try and get it all closer to the point where they are able to have new recruits go onto the 787.
Until then, it looks like the current shortages will be managed with LWOP returnees, many of whom are 747 crew, (so that should ease the shortage on that fleet somewhat), and MOU returnees slotting back in over time as per the Agreement.
Also, there may still be the possibility of Cadet/ex-letter of intent holder recruitment (perhaps to fill the current and increasing shortage on the A330? Who knows for sure…).
So it looks like the current shortage will be managed and massaged for a little while longer.
To throw some fuel on the fire, (and again, these are all RUMOURS, and it is entirely possible that the Chinese whispers have mixed the message a little bit), but the info I have indicates there has quite possibly been some thought in opening up the JQ MOU for those eligible, to ease the shortage further up the chain (F/O slots etc)… make of that what you will.
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To throw some fuel on the fire, (and again, these are all RUMOURS, and it is entirely possible that the Chinese whispers have mixed the message a little bit), but the info I have indicates there has quite possibly been some thought in opening up the JQ MOU for those eligible, to ease the shortage further up the chain (F/O slots etc)… make of that what you will.
More likely any new hires under the MOU would be for S/Os.
I joined in 2002. I'm senior to the JQ MOU numbers. I don't expect an A330 F/O slot for another two years at least. 787 F/O for at least 3 years.
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Almost all eligible JQ pilots have been Captains for 10 years, many on the B787 now.
As IsDon points out - 2004 MOU-based seniority is a junior B737 F/O. WB and/or Command still many years away. Could be a lifestyle choice to come as a S/O for some though.
As IsDon points out - 2004 MOU-based seniority is a junior B737 F/O. WB and/or Command still many years away. Could be a lifestyle choice to come as a S/O for some though.
Sorry, ignore my reference to the 'F/O Slots', that was my own (I was thinking this rumour may have originated from concern over the suspected lack of interest by current S/O's not wanting the promotion to the 737 because of the resulting pay cut, and potential cross country move; Personally I think there will be sufficient interest, but I digress…).
The MOU rumour, though having passed though a few sources before I heard it (so again, make of it what you will), is still the point…
There may be some in JQ who, for whatever reason, may well be interested in a 737 F/O position, or even a few years as a 380 S/O. Most if not all those in JQ who are eligible for the MOU would surely be able to hold a command over there anyway, so who knows.
Perhaps someone with a greater understanding could clarify; If the MOU slots are offered, but not taken, do they then disappear?
The MOU rumour, though having passed though a few sources before I heard it (so again, make of it what you will), is still the point…
There may be some in JQ who, for whatever reason, may well be interested in a 737 F/O position, or even a few years as a 380 S/O. Most if not all those in JQ who are eligible for the MOU would surely be able to hold a command over there anyway, so who knows.
Perhaps someone with a greater understanding could clarify; If the MOU slots are offered, but not taken, do they then disappear?
I have also heard there is a high likely hood of Qantas MOU slots being opened for eligible Jetstar pilots. Having spoken to a few at Jetstar the seems to be a fairly even split of those that would go 'because it's Qantas' and those that would stay. I have also heard that Qantas may be looking to take a few non MoU Jetstar pilots as the people at the top may be rethinking the 'keep them seperate at all costs' approach as some of the A320 NEOS may end up with the kangaroo on the tail in a new 'entity'. Q RED anyone?
If a JQ Pilot elects to take an MOU slot do they have to pass the Qantas selection process (sim/interview etc) so many of them failed back in 2004/05 prior to being offered a job with JQ?
so many of them failed back in 2004/05 prior to being offered a job with JQ?
Fair enough. I definitely know of a few people around that time who got knocked back from QF and received phone calls from JQ inviting them to "have another go" at the sim and interview and then subsequently were offered jobs at JQ. Many had commands just a couple of years later while those who got into QF at the same time still have a long wait ahead.
Yes they do Transition layer. Just as QF pilots had to when taking up an MoU position. You have to meet the criteria and get hired as such. Might not need to do the sim ride though. I also believe there is a statement in the MoU that a JQ pilot would have to pay for their endorsement, as QF pilots had to (subsequently paid for by QF). It's not a great deal if your already a captain.
This whole MOU thing could become a pain in the rear when allocations come out next week or so, especially if wide body f/o numbers get into the MOU range. If the Jetstar pilots who are eligible decide to exercise their rights to these positions I can see one hell of a battle brewing between the AFAP and AIPA, interesting times ahead indeed! I think if you are allocated a slot and are within this range I wouldn't be getting too excited until you start your conversion course 
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If a JQ pilot elects to take up a QF MOU slot IAW the agreement then I can't see why that would cause a bun fight? 
The more likely pain is that the JQ pilot won't even be aware that they had the seniority for one of those slots if they so desired. Similarly when the various JQ promotional slots weren't advertised to QF drivers for all those years. That's e bit that needs work.
The reality is that in 10-15 years time those JQ seniority numbers may well be senior enough for a QF wide body command. That's the deal that was negotiated.
Any angst you're alluding to about isn't likely to really ramp up until the allocations are published- different to the advertising of vacancies that occurs next week. So realistically it's early June that's going to be when we realise fully just how big this training year is going to be and where the JQ MOU numbers feature.
The more likely pain is that the JQ pilot won't even be aware that they had the seniority for one of those slots if they so desired. Similarly when the various JQ promotional slots weren't advertised to QF drivers for all those years. That's e bit that needs work.
The reality is that in 10-15 years time those JQ seniority numbers may well be senior enough for a QF wide body command. That's the deal that was negotiated.
Any angst you're alluding to about isn't likely to really ramp up until the allocations are published- different to the advertising of vacancies that occurs next week. So realistically it's early June that's going to be when we realise fully just how big this training year is going to be and where the JQ MOU numbers feature.
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Slots within the mou range =/= an entitlement per se, they need to be advertised/treated as such by the company and perhaps will be looked at once it is a known that they are of sufficient interest?