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Old 30th Jul 2015, 03:28
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So Korr, Sigma and EA engineers working in a Qantaslink hangar signing for and on behalf of EA on a 71 or a Dash all carrying out the same duties has no relationship???
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 04:28
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It's all a bit disturbing, but for info they sign for and on behalf of QL not Cobham!!

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Old 30th Jul 2015, 08:09
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On the B717, Qlink engineers are signing Cobham paperwork on behalf of Qlink (they have approval). Cobham are the Part 42. Half the engineers in Canberra aren't directly employed by Qlink, they are employed illegally through Sigma and are contracted to Qlink. Do a bit of research, ask your tax accountant or ask the ATO. If you earn 100 % of your income from 1 company, If you are only providing manpower etc you are considered a full time employee. There is plenty of case study on this. It's no secret. Korr will do the same thing with the heavy work. Cobham, whilst being a contract company, meaning they have a contract with Qantas employ people legally as full time employees. It's really not that hard.
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 23:35
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Blitzkrieger, you obviously had a long day. Re read it mate
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 02:59
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Meanwhile...

Network's newest F100 in full QLink colours

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Old 31st Jul 2015, 03:28
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Boeing 717 Line Pilot Opportunities - Vacancies | Cobham Aviation Services
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 04:40
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I see they still require the full ATPL for FOs to apply, not just CPL with subjects. I wonder how many otherwise suitable candidates that tick all the other boxes are not able to apply.......I know of at least one
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 10:24
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Why wouldn't they?

Yes they do require the ATPL! I dare say it's not about to change either. No offense, but I don't see why they 'wouldn't' require it? After all they are looking for jet drivers and or potential jet drivers.

From memory the CPL theory only looked at the Echo Mk4 and not any jet or jet systems. So I guess the way they see it is that you don't meet 'all' their boxes if you haven't at least fully studied generic jet systems and performance (ie. ATPL subjects).

I'm sure they'll love you to apply when you have finished your ATPL!

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Old 31st Jul 2015, 13:17
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Red face

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Australia, New Zealand Forum + a Cobham thread and the intellectual age of the discussion plummets to an 8 year olds level everytime.

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Old 31st Jul 2015, 23:02
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FMC, gettin' there meant "CPL with ATPL subjects".

What's the difference in ability and aptitude between someone with all their ATPL subjects who ticked over 1500 hours in August 2014 vs. someone who hit 1500 hours in November, apart from one being gifted a piece of paper saying ATPL on it?
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 23:48
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skkm, as you saw, I was going to argue the point but have decided against it!

You're right, what is the difference!? I was in that exact position just a few short years ago and yet no jet operator at the time was accepting less than 2000hrs +. Very few turboprop operators also, it believe it was a case of simple demand and supply at the time! So I took a turboprop gig and loved every minute of it! Made some great friends, had some awesome times, and learned a heap.

I don't speak for why Cobham have their requirements, I was just suggesting a reason as to maybe why. I wish 'gettin' there' the best of luck with his/her career.

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Old 1st Aug 2015, 03:07
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Originally Posted by skkm View Post
FMC, gettin' there meant "CPL with ATPL subjects".

What's the difference in ability and aptitude between someone with all their ATPL subjects who ticked over 1500 hours in August 2014 vs. someone who hit 1500 hours in November, apart from one being gifted a piece of paper saying ATPL on it?
What they said.

I have no problem with the new regs requiring someone actually demonstrate the ability to act in command of a multi crew aircraft before they are given an ATPL; to the contrary I think it is a good idea.

I was more referring to the fact that given the very few ATPLs that have actually been issued since the introduction of the new regs, over time, the pool of suitable candidates will be getting smaller won't it?
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Old 1st Aug 2015, 03:45
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Getting there gets it.

They can ask for whatever they want, but the inevitable result will be a smaller candidate pool, thus diminishing the potential quality of applicants should they exclude those with a CPL and subjects.

In time, they'll be forced to change. When? Who knows. Sooner the better for all parties involved.
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Old 1st Aug 2015, 09:41
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'Higher requirements diminish the potential quality of applicants'.

Seriously?!
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Old 2nd Aug 2015, 03:57
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Or how about this for a conspiracy: They are actually targeting ex turbo prop skippers who will have an ATPL anyway.
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Old 13th Aug 2015, 10:12
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Has anyone heard any more info regarding where the 2 'new' B717's are coming from and who will be operating them? Im hearing more and more it might not be Cobham? Interested to hear of potential future recruitment opportunities.

Divide and conquer or more for a contractor??
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Old 13th Aug 2015, 11:01
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Given the costs of adding a totally new high-capacity RPT aircraft onto an operators fleet are not small and there are significant down sides to having to endorse pilots who are employed by QF or a subsidiary onto a type that has limited use in Oz, it would have to be a VERY good argument for the two aircraft to go to anyone other than Cobham. I am not saying it would not happen, just that it would be surprising.
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Old 13th Aug 2015, 12:21
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I think you'll see all the aircraft go to Qlink. Given some of their engineers can't tell the difference between skydrol and deice fluid, it will be very interesting. I guess you can't blame them though, I haven't seen too many bug smashers with phosphate ester based systems....
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Old 13th Aug 2015, 13:53
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I believe Network has 2 B717 experienced drivers, and from what I'm told, with Network's crewing numbers policy, that should be enough
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Old 14th Aug 2015, 08:00
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Where are the majority of Cobham B717 FO's recruited from?

Qlink (EAA and Sunstate)?
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