"All you need is a plane"

[blueloo]

When he jumps on Jetstar he catches a PLANE.

So what you are saying is that you think Jetstar are *special* because they fly planes, and everyone else flies aeroplanes?

[Ida down]

Wearing your slides to the supermarket? Are you kidding? Got caught once with a race to the vets with the dog, who had just eaten rat bait, just as I stupidly walked in door after many sectors. The hysterical wife throwing said dog at me, drive, she is yelling, and off I went still dressed like Napoleon. It slowly dawned on me, as I sat there covered in dog puke, with puking dog, I was overdressed for the occasion, only for the Vet ( a mate) to say, 'come in Admiral'. The dog survived after blowing my overtime money on treatment, and I never did get all the puke out of my ID.

[Air Ace]

There is a Federal election coming next year (or sooner) and there is no unified effort to make Aviation an issue or even raise its profile; you just have quiet words whispered in ears, deals done to favour one operator or another, or the whole industry ignored like the ALP used to do.

What do you say Dick Smith?

Every time Dick Smith advocates change in aviation, spending his own time and money, he gets criticised by many including you.

Now you're asking Dick to spend his own time and money advocating change in aviation, on behalf of your business and hobby?



Not even Dick Smith can achieve lasting, beneficial, worthwhile and rational change and support for our Australian aviation industry, whilst we have a succession of deplorable, ill-informed, incompetent and disinterested Ministers for Transport including Anderson, Albanese and Truss and a succession of RAAF geriatric retirees running CASA and ASA who, to quote Dick Smith, "never paid a cent for their aviation".

[Pinky the pilot]

All Horatio asked IMHO, was for Dick Smith`s comment to his OP.

The thread then drifted briefly into irrelevance, yours truly being one of the offenders. However, I did then attempt to bring it back into the subject.

Gentlemen, (and Ladies) where applicable;

May I in the most strongly terms available, suggest that instead of attempting to criticise the OP for any percieved past misdemenours (sp?) that you support the original thrust of this thread and offer support and constructive suggestions as to what can be done to rescue Australian General Aviation from what really seems to be its impending Death!

And to lobby the appropriate Federal Politicians ie your local member!

Someone far wiser than I will ever be once said words to the effect that

If we do not all hang together, we surely will all hang seperately!

And yes, I really do believe that there are some in `high places` who really don`t care if Aussie GA is destroyed!

[Horatio Leafblower]

Air Ace

Now you're asking Dick to spend his own time and money advocating change in aviation, on behalf of your business and hobby?

Absolutely not.

I disagree with the direction of his criticisms and the sensationalism in his method.

I am proposing a different method, a different tone. I think it's a better way and you will observe it is the way other sectors (education, health) push their case for government funding or support.

Dick is free to criticise me as you have done and as I have criticised him.

You are 100% right about the level of interest shown by Transport ministers since Anderson, and a good public relations/public education campaign will help turn that around.

...mind you, Bronwyn Bishop's little helicopter ride might have killed off the last sector of GA Charter that was making any return so maybe we needn't bother.

[darkroomsource]

This thread epitomises the reasons that the regulations are so convoluted, and the reasons that the industry is declining.

If things must be so precise that aeroplane is acceptable but plane is not, then it's no wonder that there are thousands and thousands of regulations all attempting to clarify simple things like "keep the shiny side up".

[AEROMEDIC]

Seriously...........???
We are debating whether it's called a Plane, Airplane or Aeroplane???
Must be a slow day!

Real slowwww... _@v

[Aerodynamisist]

Plane, aircraft, aeroplane bug smasher call them what you like. Refer to more than on

The concept is good need to be combined with an airshow to strike while the idea is fresh then you need to capture the consumer and tie them down because of all the options and distractions of the modern world will drain the cash out of them before you get the chance.

Many years ago American champion were selling aircraft with a pilot's licence thrown in, from memory it was aroun 120k for a Citabria. I always thought that was a good concept as well.

The Sporty's sweepstakes is also a good concept, this years prize was a nice little yellow cub replica.

A distributorship with the right brand and a small flying school with a setup with a finance company like esanda similar to what they do with cars would be all it could take.

[Old Fella]

Irrelevance

Pinky, thank you. IsDon thanks also. EWL, pleased you listened to you Dad. My comment was not meant to generate the response it did. However I am pleased it gave some a chance to bleat about an old bugger like me. I was, in fact, simply recalling a comment made by an old instructor who once said to me when I called an aeroplane a 'plane "Lad, carpenters use planes and lawn mowers have cogs. These are aeroplanes and those cogs are gears"

By the Way, the term Tech Crew was around long before the whizkids thought up CRM.