QF Captain was feeling low...
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TGG,
You are so far off the mark with your supposition, you look silly to those who know what the outcome was.
So I suppose they will dicipline the SO, demote the FO and congratulate the captain for outstanding CRM and saving the day?
I have never seen a airport with so many carriers breaking MSA.
In the last three years Tiger a320, Jetstar A320, Thai twice, Malaysian, AirAsia a330 now QF 330.
In the last three years Tiger a320, Jetstar A320, Thai twice, Malaysian, AirAsia a330 now QF 330.
Originally Posted by wheels_down
I have never seen a airport with so many carriers breaking MSA.*
In the last three years Tiger a320, Jetstar A320, Thai twice, Malaysian, AirAsia a330 now QF 330.
In the last three years Tiger a320, Jetstar A320, Thai twice, Malaysian, AirAsia a330 now QF 330.
Manage that blood sugar.
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TGG,
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So I suppose they will dicipline the SO, demote the FO and congratulate the captain for outstanding CRM and saving the day?
You are so far off the mark with your supposition, you look silly to those who know what the outcome was.
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TGG,
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So I suppose they will dicipline the SO, demote the FO and congratulate the captain for outstanding CRM and saving the day?
You are so far off the mark with your supposition, you look silly to those who know what the outcome was.
You obviously don't know another scenario then where this happened
Sounds like another QF 1 wake up call for QF management and rostering practices.
Fitness for duty is up to the individual.
Sounds like another QF 1 wake up call for QF management and rostering practices.
So I suppose they will dicipline the SO, demote the FO and congratulate the captain for outstanding CRM and saving the day?
139 hours in the last 90 days for the PF, 131 hours for the PM. Half the workload or rostering practices of most of the competition.
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Qantas' head of flying operations, Mike Galvin, said the airline had reviewed its training procedures in light of the incident to highlight the importance of high levels of situation awareness during landing.
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On a related matter - why do guys accept this visual SHEED arrival for 34 late at night after a long 4 sector day, and even more interesting why does CASA allow this.
An instrument approach might take another minute, but it's a lot safer proposition.
Go figure.
An instrument approach might take another minute, but it's a lot safer proposition.
Go figure.
I wasn't in that flt deck and don't really know what transpired, but judging by the report I suspect not many 'Gates' were monitored, and more alarmingly I don't think anybody actually looked out the bloody window!
It's amazing what that picture can tell you should you take the time to look.
There is nothing overtly difficult about visual approaches into MEL, track shortening from Horus can get a little busy but if you're expecting it, as this crew appeared to, it ends up being done quite comfortably.
I'm staggered they got that out of shape.
As far as accepting a visual arrival from SHEED after 4 sectors, please tell me you're joking ��
It's amazing what that picture can tell you should you take the time to look.
There is nothing overtly difficult about visual approaches into MEL, track shortening from Horus can get a little busy but if you're expecting it, as this crew appeared to, it ends up being done quite comfortably.
I'm staggered they got that out of shape.
As far as accepting a visual arrival from SHEED after 4 sectors, please tell me you're joking ��
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34R - Read what I said: "late at night" after perhaps an 11 hour day. If you don't think fatigue might be an issue in this case, then I wouldn't want to be in the back of an aircraft you were in charge of. 
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let's move on from the blame game and work together to make aviation a better and more enjoyable environment to work in!
You can make a good start by getting rid of low cost bogan carriers like, well, I can think of one in Oz....
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On a related matter - why do guys accept this visual SHEED arrival for 34 late at night after a long 4 sector day, and even more interesting why does CASA allow this.
An instrument approach might take another minute, but it's a lot safer proposition.
Go figure.
An instrument approach might take another minute, but it's a lot safer proposition.
Go figure.
You can make a good start by getting rid of low cost bogan carriers like, well, I can think of one in Oz....
Aircraft are the modern day bus service, you're not flying around aristocrats anymore.
Just because it's low cost, it doesn't mean it's low safety.
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Just because it's low cost, it doesn't mean it's low safety.
I think it's called affordable safety now. Or is it "worlds best practice"?
Basically whatever we can get away with until there is a death and/or Royal commission...
Morno,
I think the LCC mindset had been with Qantas since setting up Qantair in 1970, later in the 1970s offing fares from Sydney to London for just 79 pounds. Being a government subsidised airline they did not need to make a profit or pay for their own aircraft.
I think the LCC mindset had been with Qantas since setting up Qantair in 1970, later in the 1970s offing fares from Sydney to London for just 79 pounds. Being a government subsidised airline they did not need to make a profit or pay for their own aircraft.