General Declaration

[Exit Strategy]

Can anybody provide a reference that shows that you can or can not, passenger in and out of Australia on the GD?

By this I mean you are being positioned and are not part of the operating crew. I have had Customs get quite upset in the past when I have done this. Presumably my employer is doing this to avoid passenger movement charges.

[wheels_down]

Customs are always Grumpy, the most miserable bunch of people I have ever seen. I felt privileged when one gave me eye contact the other day!

[Pinky the pilot]

Customs are always Grumpy, the most miserable bunch of people I have ever seen.

Whilst I have never been on the receiving end of any ill behaviour from Customs I have witnessed some extremely rude and arrogant behaviour by them over the years.

Really can't comment further as I could possibly then be accused of 'stereotyping.'

[Two_dogs]

Thread drift

Been approached by customs twice now at a regional airport and asked to present ASIC for verification. When asked when customs/border control became responsible for airport security, was told we have been asked to start checking. I did comply, but was tempted to say, nothing to do with you, and just walk off.

Do they have any authority to check ASIC's?

[neville_nobody]

Anyone with an ASIC can ask to see your ASIC. So if they ask to see yours you can ask to see theirs! They would have to do this airside, if it was in the terminal you could say no. Probably not the smartest idea but that is the rules.

[Two_dogs]

Yeah, can remember hearing the party line previously, asking pilots to check anyone else etc. Just sick of the bull****.

(Known) Pedophiles easily obtain blue cards for working with children, been more than a few confirmed instances. Pretty sure previously unknown terrorists could probably obtain ASIC's just as easily. Nett gain of the ASIC system - zero.

COME THE REVOLUTION

[VH-ABC]

Exit strategy, Google the answer yourself... Or better, call the customs people. Your only going to get opinion and witty banter here!

[neville_nobody]

Can anybody provide a reference that shows that you can or can not, passenger in and out of Australia on the GD?

The argument is a passengering employee, a member of the operating crew?

[Two_dogs]

Thread drift off ...

a member of the operating crew?

General Declaration has two separate areas to list aircraft occupants, namely CREW MANIFEST and PASSENGER MANIFEST. If you are not part of the CREW, you must be a PASSENGER?

Also, did you complete a crew declaration or incoming passenger card?

[Exit Strategy]

ABC, Google does not yield the answer and Customs have not replied to an email...

To my way of thinking you can not be a crew member if not qualified on the aircraft or not legal to operate it for other reasons.

Our GD's do not have a pax section, only crew. So if you are listed as "crew" you have to complete a crew declaration.

This is irrelevant, my question is can you enter/depart as "crew" if you are in fact not "crew"?

What do you QF guys do, GD or normal ticket?

[dodo whirlygig]

Once upon a time I worked for a company where positioning was almost a daily occurrence. We were on the GD as Supernumerary (SNY) crew - that is, on company duty.

Likewise re-entering Oz as SNY, filled in the Form V and Bob's your Uncle.

Never had an issue with CIQ outbound nor inbound.

Is it a question of "operating crew" or "crew on company duty". I subscribe to the latter.

[Shot Nancy]

I can't provide a reference but I've done both.
Paxed on GD without boarding pass in uniform as it eased inbound immigration requirements. Not my decision but a good idea.
Also I have paxed not on the GD, with boarding pass, in mufti sipping champers but arriving as a pax and then being processed as such.
I don't think it's a big deal. What would you prefer to do?

[swh]

This is irrelevant, my question is can you enter/depart as "crew" if you are in fact not "crew"?

Yes, if you have an Oz/Nz passport nothing further is required (except technically a letter from your employer if positioning inbound stating your date of exit). If you dont have a Oz/Nz passport, you are to have a Crew Travel Authority (CTA). https://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/air-sea/air.htm

Document requirements

After registering with a CTA, crew are still required to hold the appropriate documentation to facilitate processing on arrival. The document requirements will vary depending on the position a crew member holds.

Operational crew

Operational crew (entering as a crew member and departing as crew or a passenger) must hold:

a valid passport
an Airline Identity Card
and
for freight only – should be issued with a CTA and be listed on the General Declaration Form signed on behalf of the air carrier.

Positioning crew

Positioning crew (entering as a passenger and departing as a member of the crew within 5 days) must hold:

a valid passport
and
a letter from the employer certifying that the person is an aircrew member, setting out the purpose of travel and the arrangements for the person to leave Australia.

Aircraft Safety Inspectors

Aircraft Safety Inspectors, who are treated in the same manner as crew when engaged on inspection duties, must present:

a valid passport
either a valid government identity document showing that the person is employed by a foreign government
or
an ICAO Safety Inspector Certificate.