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Old 10th Feb 2015, 01:00
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Jetstar Second Officer Plans

Hi Guys & Girls,


Anyone know some more info or rumours on these second officer plans. They're obviously making way for it in the new EBA negotiations.


Are they currently using a heavy crew with additional FO's on the longer 787 routes or?


Are they going to initiate some SO recruitment as soon as this EBA gets through to save on those extra FO salary $$?
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 01:39
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Jetstar Second Officer Plans

Apparently it is in the works ATM for 787 SO, however I am lead to believe they are part time positions
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 01:42
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It's basically to cover current cadets on the 787 who can't act as PIC when senior crew take rest because they don't have an ATPL. Joke you say? No ones laughing.
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 01:42
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One thing is for sure, if Jetstar want it included in the contract then there WILL be a reason for it.
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 01:56
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Would that allow AUS-DPS/HKT and CNS-NRT returns (if not already) ?
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 02:24
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Its clear its for the cadets to go into. But I doubt it'd be part-time there isn't a provision for it in the EBA unless you did flexi-line SO's ... how would you survive on that money


Are they currently taking more than 2 crew on any international flights?


I assume they'll release more routes as the remaining 787's go onto the line.
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 02:28
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About half of those who completed end 2013 haven't been put on & same for all 2014 completions.

So gee thats like a wait of wow , like a whole year , how terrible !

All to taken as SOs

So J* did what they said they would do

Progression to airlines , pretty much a zero possibility game for those rotting away at the regional s

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Old 10th Feb 2015, 02:45
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Flyboat I know their recruitment policy for a fact is about 50% cadet 50% Direct entry. It also looks to me that Direct entry will be for FO spots and SO's will be for cadets moving forward after the EBA is passed.


But back on topic..... This is about the SO spot and where, when & how they'll use them.
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 03:54
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who can't act as PIC when senior crew take rest
Unless Jetstar have some odd sentence or two in their OM then the PIC is the PIC, even if he or she is resting down the back. At least that is the way the rest of the world does it. N'est-ce pas?
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 06:02
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Part Time would make sense.

The majority of 787 flying is flown with 2 crew, Bali/Thai/Sing/Japan, and this is where the bulk of capacity lies. The legs are fairly short, they even add on MEL/SYD tags on some flights and fly right through.

The only long hauler is HNL and MEL-NRT where SO's could be used. But these routes are still all A330 and the last to be transitioned over the 787 later this year, early next year so its a little while off yet.
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 06:11
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Go cadet, warm the backseat of the jet

If of course the eba with the SO rate is ever ratified.

Oh yes, Jetstar are hiring DE FOs right now from GA/regionals. Meanwhile the cadets are waiting on a start date indefinitely.
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 06:30
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SO's will be direct entry on SO rate, current cadets won't be moving to SO positions. With limited SO positions required don't expect the flood gates to open.

P.s. The JQ cadetship is dead!
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 23:44
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The CP said that SO is the plan for future cadets, at one of the last roadshows apparently. But they're stuck as SO for 3 years so DE will come in as FO's on a lower seniority over that period and after a spot becomes available as an FO after 3 years, they get another Type and moved over.(based off the last EBA proposal)


They're obviously going to be used for flights out of Melbourne & Sydney, only long enough ones. Or are they adding new routes soon? Or could they use SO's now?


I don't really see the use in Flexi - Line SO's, why not just less fulltime ones?


Also are they actually taking DE FO guys currently ? I heard last was a while back in like October.
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Old 11th Feb 2015, 02:12
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Cadetship is dead! There's no saving for the company as there's NO JFO rate being negotitiated in the new EBA. As SO's will be type frozen for 3 years JQ don't give a rats who signs on the dotted line as the type freeze equals pay freeze. JQ will interview DE and offer either FO Flexi-Line or SO Full-time depending on requirements take it or leave it.
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Old 11th Feb 2015, 02:23
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Yeh I agree Ted, But I think they'll continue to trickle in the backlog of cadets waiting as someone ^^^ up there pointed out. Otherwise it'd be a media storm I'm sure.
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Old 11th Feb 2015, 04:58
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How is something dead if the cadets are going to fly the Jet ?

Many howled "no guarantee" of employment, it was just stated that if you performed & met standards , & if there were vacancies you would be employed.

So 100% of those who passed are flying 320/330s or 787s (some already FO on 78 , I think).

And now the remainder of grads to move to the 787

Perhaps it wasn't such a bad program now after all.

What % of 3000 or so eligible GA/regional pilots have joined jet RPT over the last 2/3 , less than 5% - you might think.

Just because there have been no intakes for past two semesters does not mean the program has closed.

Do you think perhaps some GA/regional guys might have a little issue with their 5% chance as compared to the cadets 100% strike rate.

Go Direct to Jet Go Cadet
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Old 11th Feb 2015, 05:12
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It must be school holiday time again. Someones got bored and playng on PPRuNe keeps them amused.
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Old 11th Feb 2015, 05:57
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Go back to the bath to play with your boats FBN and leave the aviating to the grownups
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Old 11th Feb 2015, 07:18
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FBN,

What % of 3000 or so eligible GA/regional pilots have joined jet RPT over the last 2/3 , less than 5% - you might think.
I don't know how you came up with such statistic but what makes you think all or even a majority of those 3000 pilots are seeking employment in a transport category jet operation?

Just because there have been no intakes for past two semesters does not mean the program has closed.
I have not heard the word 'semester' used in the workplace. Hell, I haven't even heard that word since high school. You must be a professional academic/teacher/lecturer. I feel for your poor students listening to you, telling them that they will be flying 78's in 18 months.
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Old 11th Feb 2015, 07:26
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FBN you just got BURNT!!!! Now crawl back into your hole you little pest.
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