Qantas and the 787-900
QF has a 747 replacement. It is called the A380...
On another topic, it is amazing to read that some bash QF when they lose money [like most others in the world at the time] and bash them when they turn a handsome profit!
On another topic, it is amazing to read that some bash QF when they lose money [like most others in the world at the time] and bash them when they turn a handsome profit!
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On another topic, it is amazing to read that some bash QF when they lose money [like most others in the world at the time] and bash them when they turn a handsome profit!
I don't think anyone truthfully knows the true health of the company anymore.
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My guess is that the 789's could very well come to "the Qantas Group"; quite possibly to an all new entity of " the group". Then maybe crewed via an agency offshoot, of the group, conceivably headed up by a former (or not so former) senior management type, maybe offering circa K$300 & K$200 to capt's & f/o's respectively. Just a guess...
If true, don't be caught standing anywhere near the exit doors in the sandpit.
If true, don't be caught standing anywhere near the exit doors in the sandpit.
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The future Qantas fleet
QF has a 747 replacement. It is called the A380...
The absolute "stand-out" replacement for the B747 & A380 is the B777-9X and I see QF ordering it for entry into service in 2019 with ongoing deliveries replacing the B747's and then the A380's. I expect the B747 to leave the fleet circa 2020 and the A380 circa 2022-2023 by which time, most of the fleet will be more than 12 years old and thus will be written off.
At the same time, the A330's will be replaced by B787-9's so that, by 2025, the QF International fleet will consist of only B777-9X's and B787-9's (with possibly a few B777-8's & B787-10's for select routes). With both types having a common endorsement and some engineering components in common, there will be significant savings compared to the current fleets.
The A350 has been getting good reviews but I believe the B777-9 will have lower seat mile costs and the commonality with the B787 will sway the decision in favour of an all Boeing fleet.
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Or......... we go for A350s as a replacement for the 744s, we get A330NEOs as a replacement for the A330s and then pick up A320NEOs to replace the 737s- the oldest of which is now 13 years old! We go to an all Airbus fleet.
Not that I'm pro Airbus now that I'm driving one, just doing a 'maybe'. The big issue with my maybe plan is the price that we got the 789s at. I don't think we can afford to NOT take them!
Did we cancel those 8 A380s or just defer them? The Qantas website says they're deferred but still on order.
Not that I'm pro Airbus now that I'm driving one, just doing a 'maybe'. The big issue with my maybe plan is the price that we got the 789s at. I don't think we can afford to NOT take them!
Did we cancel those 8 A380s or just defer them? The Qantas website says they're deferred but still on order.
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A.Rat,
What I did forget to mention was, that I understand applications will be sought from within, which is a good thing. It could be however that applications will be accepted/invited from elsewhere.
I sincerely hope the former is the case.
Oh dear, so far wide of the mark it's embarrassing, in the meantime keep calm and carry on.
What I did forget to mention was, that I understand applications will be sought from within, which is a good thing. It could be however that applications will be accepted/invited from elsewhere.
I sincerely hope the former is the case.
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Did we cancel those 8 A380s or just defer them? The Qantas website says they're deferred but still on order.
I believe the seat mile costs of the B777-9/B787-9 fleets would be lower than the A350/A330NEO combined fleets. the B777-9 is also larger so would be a better size to replace the A380.
I agree that the A320NEO would be a good replacement for the B738 with its lower fuel burn and immensely greater passenger appeal.
Going Boeing,
Interested to see you mentioned passenger appeal of the 320NEO, something that the A380 has in spades!!
I have no doubt one of the reasons Qantas is doing so well trans pacific is the passenger appeal of the 380, up against the 777s of Delta, Virgin, Air Canada and United.
If i was flying long haul i would choose a 380 over any 777 everytime!
Qantas cannot afford not to take the 787/9s, and they will be able to take over all the 744/330 flying in time.
Interested to see you mentioned passenger appeal of the 320NEO, something that the A380 has in spades!!
I have no doubt one of the reasons Qantas is doing so well trans pacific is the passenger appeal of the 380, up against the 777s of Delta, Virgin, Air Canada and United.
If i was flying long haul i would choose a 380 over any 777 everytime!
Qantas cannot afford not to take the 787/9s, and they will be able to take over all the 744/330 flying in time.
Interested to see you mentioned passenger appeal of the 320NEO, something that the A380 has in spades!!
If i was flying long haul i would choose a 380 over any 777 everytime!
Qantas cannot afford not to take the 787/9s, and they will be able to take over all the 744/330 flying in time.
I agree with the first part of that statement, but the B787-9 fitted with an international configuration won't have have the pax numbers to replace the B744 without the cost of increasing the frequency.
In an ideal world, QF would use their 787s to open up new routes. Problem is, I'm not sure that QF knows how to grow a route anymore. Maybe a new 49% shareholder in QF Int'l could mix things up a bit?
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Whether going the Being route or the Airbus route, airframe consistency with its accompanying cost reductions and efficiency gains in crewing, training, engineering and just about every other area certainly would be a novel idea! Been some time since now.
Cathay is the launch customer and they don't arrive until at least 2021.
Also, the smart launch customers do not take the first aircraft off the production line as they are usually overweight and suffer from technical issues that are not experienced with aircraft that come from a "mature" production line (eg SQ are replacing their first five A380's because of this).
In recent times, new aircraft types have had a number of "launch customers" so CX is probably "a" launch customer - not "the" launch customer.
PS. I just checked the Boeing website and it states that the launch customers are Emirates, Etihad, Lufthansa and Qatar - no mention of CX.
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"777-9X in 2019? You're dreaming.
Cathay is the launch customer and they don't arrive until at least 2021."
Throw in Boeing's recent track record for delivering aircraft development projects on time and it could be 2025 before they arrive.
Cathay is the launch customer and they don't arrive until at least 2021."
Throw in Boeing's recent track record for delivering aircraft development projects on time and it could be 2025 before they arrive.
Excuse my apparent ignorance, but where, exactly, has it been stated that QF is getting the 787 ?