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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 07:30
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What sort of training system is that just ticking a box! It is the ICUS you have when not having ICUS all from the right hand seat.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 12:08
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Insurance company will make the final decision if ANG ever injure anyone or damage an airframe regardless of what the root cause was. First thing they will go for will be the pilot's training records.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 14:08
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Insurance company will make the final decision if ANG ever injure anyone or damage an airframe regardless of what the root cause was. First thing they will go for will be the pilot's training records.
In the real world that would be true - but PNG is not the real world. Look at PNG Airlines aka. APNG aka. Milne Bay Air. How many have died on this "airline"? Just change the name and the traveling public soon forgets. I haven't seen any sign of insurance companies shutting that mob down.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 15:19
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Injure a corporate client regardless of nationality and they will come under scrutiny....

MBA and APNG never injured anyone on a.corporate charter, all their accidents were RPT or general charter to my knowledge.

ANG carry plenty of corporate clients on charters and RPT domestically and internationally. The waters haven't been tested yet and I hope they never will be, however if they were to be, the waters will become very muddy very quickly, if what has been posted above in relation to line training is correct. Hopefully it's not correct, although I know the information has come from a reliable source.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 06:32
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FYI a very reliable source emailed me a copy of the correspondence that was sent by RF to all pilots. It is fact.

I have heard the safety office may be looking into the legality of the proposal. My sources tell me part 61 cannot be applied if the company operates a check and training system.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 11:27
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http://www.emtv.com.pg/news/2017/03/suspended-air-niugini-pilots-trial-to-proceed/

A Supreme Court decision has allowed the matter involving eight terminated Air Niugini Pilots, to be heard by a full court.

The decision by Chief Justice Sir Salamo Injia, gave orders that the pilots resume duties and be put back on pay roll.

The eight pilots were terminated after they called in sick, days after university students protested for Prime Minister, Peter O’Neill to step down, in 2016.

It was exciting news for the eight pilots, who were present in court when the decision was handed down.

Chief Justice Sir Salamo Injia ruled that the trial will be conducted either in April or July.

Sir Salamo based his decision on the grounds that the trial judge at the National Court, Justice Collin Makail, did not consider the pilots’ submissions that Air Niugini was a state entity, despite having the characteristics of a private company.

The pilots were put off the payroll in February by the National Court decision.

This was because the court found that the pilots had private contracts with the airline.

However, the pilots have appealed to the Supreme Court to review the decision of the trial judge and the Supreme Court has accepted their appeal, allowing a proper trial to proceed
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Next is the directions hearing on the 3rd April for the actual appeal which is to be set at a later date.

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Old 26th Mar 2017, 02:00
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Air Niugini has failed once again to honour a contract.

Four Central female pilots to start with CASA | Loop PNG

In part:

In 2014, the four young girls were selected to undergo training at Nelson Aviation College in New Zealand after their training they are now on the streets looking for employment following a failed MOA signed between Central Provincial Government and an airline company for employment did not eventuate.

and

the Central Provincial Government sent them for training and after returning Air Niugini did not abide by the agreement for employment
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Old 26th Mar 2017, 02:33
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Good on Wilson Sagati.
He's a good man. Once upon a time I did the CPL Air Leg test and passed, later to be told I had to do the PPL Air Leg, due to the nature of the operation...failed that and said 'so what are we going to do now?'. Here's your CPL
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Old 26th Mar 2017, 05:03
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Maybe CASA PNG advised ANG that CAR 61.31 isn't an open ticket for any licence holder to act as a training captain, hence ANG have ran out of supervisory captains to do any training.

Just hope CASA PNG can someday give the FOIs some regular in country flying.

Wilson is a very good Director.
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 12:35
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The worlds best HR manager has just written to all pilots inviting them to come in and negotiate their own conditions and to sign an individual contract.

Advice from the pilot's lawyer is that this action can be seen as contempt (of court?) and definitely not to sign anything as there is a court decision pending.

Definite lack of respect being shown to the court and the pilot's union / association.

Oh Lagona, you've done it again.

Some things never change!

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Old 31st Mar 2017, 01:46
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ANG aren't showing any lack of respect to the pilot Union/Association, they simply don't acknowledge the existence of such group.

As told to me, there is absolutely no interaction or recognition at all.....now just individual vs company.

Sounds like being a contract pilot, without any of the benefits of salary and conditions that go with those type of jobs.
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 12:33
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And armed hold ups increasing due to the tanking economy.
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 13:03
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Originally Posted by Mangi Fokker View Post
And armed hold ups increasing due to the tanking economy.
Not uncommon when I visited PNG in the early 1980s!
All this thread makes me quite pleased that we failed to sell our aeroplane to ANG as, although it could have been designed to exactly fit the PNG requirement, it needed to be operated by a properly professional airline (what doesn't?).
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 23:36
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Mr Al Upton,I was at ANG in the early 80's.What was the Aircraft type you were trying to sell? I can recall a BaE146 Model in ANG colours in one of the management offices,in fact it may still be there??
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Old 1st Apr 2017, 03:06
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If it was the BAE146 then NOT buying it is probably one of the better decisons PX has made over the years !
Totally useless in a hot and high mountainous environment and not a patch on the F28s they might have replaced (as East West and Ansett found out the hard way).
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Old 1st Apr 2017, 05:28
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Just been given an interesting piece of information.

When the 2015 contract was forced upon the pilots there was no stabilising of the Kina to the AUD .

Back in 2015 the exchange rate was .4778, it is now .3998

This equates to a further 16% pay reduction on top of the 25% reduction that the contract gave.

So now with a 41% pay reduction and no stabilisation of the Kina or any pay increase in the new contract pilots will be tripping over each other to try and get a job with thus mob, especially knowing that after 2 years you can cash in up to 15 days accrued sick leave at 50% of daily salary and then pay 40% tax on that payment!

Oh Lagona, you've done it again!
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Old 1st Apr 2017, 09:25
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Were you the Yak 42 man during MB's tenure Al.? Airside Airniugini has always been a very professional airline.
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Old 1st Apr 2017, 12:55
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Originally Posted by sundaun View Post
Were you the Yak 42 man during MB's tenure Al.? Airside Airniugini has always been a very professional airline.
No, as has been identified above I was one of the 146 men. At one time when we had a lunchtime drink in the pub we had representatives from BAe, Fokker, Boeing, McDonnell Douglas and Airbus but I don't remember anyone peddling Yak 42.

Defending my stance against Logohu, we were looking to replace not just the F28s but some of the F27s. PNG did not include anything truly hot and high but did and does include some difficult operations which our aeroplane would have coped with but the F28 could not - nor would the F100 have done.

The airline was indeed very professional in those days, which so far as could be seen was due to a policy of appointing competant professionals to fly and maintain the aeroplanes without regard for where they came from.
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Old 1st Apr 2017, 13:05
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Got any cheap Dash 7s for sale?

The ones that can operate without Pilots.
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Old 1st Apr 2017, 22:29
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In the mid 70s I acted as SafetyPilot on two occasions withANAcrews operating a YS11 for us whilst it was evaluated at the direction of RC. In the very early 80s the late Imbakey Okuk directed we pursue the DHC7 to cater for Kundiawa Wapenamunda etc. Up to that time the fleets had been gifted or sold at book value (2xQF707s) The F28-1000s (3 tankers) came ex Air Nauru at Brian Greys unauthorised behest and were ideal with a LCN of 16. In the early 80s we evaluated the Saab 2000 due to a LCN of 16. The Yak42 proposal I believe was only boardroom discussion! The 146 with a LCN of 19 would have been restricted due PCNs around the network in those days. Al, I was only a lowly Fleet Manager but thanks for the beers.

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