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Old 6th Oct 2014, 03:10
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Sunstate EBA 2014

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Old 6th Oct 2014, 03:28
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Time to level it

We definitely need to "level the playing field" to put as AT LEAST on par with VARA.
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 09:42
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Ha! Dream on. Eastern 2013 EBA has gone no where in the last 16 months.
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 11:28
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So when are we getting jets?
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 11:38
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Cobham? Oh wait I meant QLink...
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 12:07
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Single aisle bandied around no doubt...
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 12:30
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No point flying at all if you cant pay your way in life. Lets face it, the way an employer shows they value an employee is by paying them what they are worth, or is that already happening???? Why is it pilots seem ever willing to accept little reward for a lot of hard work and continued effort. The Eastern and Sunstate EBA's are important in that they will set the standard that future/ other operators run with.

With each agreement there is less cash for discretionary spending, what other industry gives you that? The car park is full of pilots cars, nice car = living in a rented flat, piece of junk = paying off a flat. That's where this is heading in the short term, longer term it gets worse especially when you decide to start a family and drop one income.

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Old 6th Oct 2014, 13:02
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The co have already stated that all future deals will be based on the old rates at that time and not some hypothetical increase the pilots may have had in the mean time. Its all available on the AFAP website if you are a member. They seem to call all the shots in their time and on their terms and to be honest I doubt that will change this time around either. We are still lined up 10 deep at the counter to get in to boot!

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Old 6th Oct 2014, 13:06
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Of course there's that elephant in the room. All you guys have to do is load the gun and avoid it stepping on you until you're ready to fire!

It's always been about leverage. To the casual observer it doesn't appear like you have that much, but looks can be deceptive. Very deceptive.

Good luck boys and girls. Don't give them any quarter, because they sure as Hell won't give any to you.
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 14:03
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"Tell 'im he's dreaming"

"Get ya hand off it Darryl"


Please leave the emotion of "jets" out of this.

It 'ain't likely to happen and if it does, who cares. If jets did arrive some time before the next Ice Age, a very small % would actually get a go. Those who have already been there a long time and those who got the job in the last 5 yrs aged 25 would get a shot 15yrs from now.

The vast majority in the middle may have a seniority shot a couple of years before retirement. Would you really want to hit the books and go through the "pineapple process" just to earn some extra coin in the last couple of years before retirement. No thanks, don't need the stress at age 60.

This EBA process is about Dash 8's, end of story.

Anything else is just a distraction, a distraction that the pilot group have bought about on themselves mostly, to be honest.

Management must be laughing their heads off?
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 23:53
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Both QLink EBA's will be about 1 thing really. Rostering and working hours.

The Jetstar management are hell bent on having regional pilots work 14 hr shifts and do 4 or 5 day trips. The regional lifestyle is under attack and I think a massive dust-up will ensue.
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 00:14
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Grrr

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14 hours won't happen, period. I think this EBA will be about one thing, MONEY! The company may try and muddy the water with various other issues but at the end of the day money will be the main game. It will probably go on and on for a couple of years before the pilots accept something like 3 * 3 * 3 with backpay. There will be no PIA or work to rule or anything like that either, they are just not that type of group!

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Old 7th Oct 2014, 07:09
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If you want to fly a jet apply to Cobham, they are the "preferred operator" according to JG.
As for the Eastern EBA, the I fear the sooner PIA is commenced the sooner things will happen
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 07:57
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If you want to fly a jet apply to Cobham
or JETGO, they have taken a couple ex Qlink guys now
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 09:11
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If the company isn't prepared to pay the money then id expect lifestyle rostering and flexibility in the agreement.

If the company want a pound of flesh, they can pay the money for it!

That's how I'm looking at it these days.
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 23:03
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You cant eat or use "lifestyle, rostering and flexibility" to pay off your house!
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Old 8th Oct 2014, 00:14
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Vote with your feet then.
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Old 8th Oct 2014, 02:05
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Mate voting with your feet will not fix this problem, you need only look at the last 10 years of massive pilot turnover to see that. Sooner or later the pilot group will have to band together and stand there ground to create a better future. The days of accepting second class deals to get new equipment and fast track your career must stop. Turnover is now very low and most who are in sunny's will will there for a while so this is the only way to a better lot in life!

If they don't they can only blame themselves.

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Old 8th Oct 2014, 02:11
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That's so true Goblin, problem is that most of us can't do that we are trapped and the company know it. Heck no one is employing seriuosly at the moment.
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Old 10th Oct 2014, 06:39
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Sunstate EBA 2014

If the company wants to get rid of Sunstate's CAO48 clauses they can bloody well pay the price for it. It's genius that they are in there individually.

FRMS + CAO48 clauses in the EBA creates terribly restrictive rostering options. They need them removed and it has to be a significant increase - a SIGNIFICANT increase - for me to vote those clauses out.
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