QF to Wellcamp(BWW)
I'd hate to do that min-rest BWW overnight with a 0430 pick-up for a 0450 sign on about 20 mins west of Toowoomba!
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Well, it looks like the work experience kid has done the timings for this.
. 10hours.
Last edited by 0tto; 3rd Sep 2014 at 14:13.
This certainly meets the definition of min rest then.
I can't seem to find any details on Wellcamp (under any name, Brisbane West, Toowoomba or Wellcamp) in the AIP.
Shouldn't someone be ensuring it is a licenced airport before commencing operations?
Shouldn't someone be ensuring it is a licenced airport before commencing operations?
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Don't Eastern guys and girls only require a 9 hour break, if you look at some of the other overnighting ports then they are often signing off at round 2030 for a morning arrival at airport of 0600 with 0630, Sunstate I pretty sure are same apart from the 45 minute pre departure signon
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Chimbu, correct nothing in the AIP's yet, CASA hasn't finished the certification process thus far. The media announcement was more of an advertisement for the new airport and gives a bit of kudos to the Wagners, the aerodrome in general, QLink and of course Mr Newman et al.
I think the potential that the airport has is huge going into the future. If you add to this the Wagners desire to upgrade the road infrastructure into the region as well you can really see that the once sleepy town of Toowoomba is to become a city.
I think the potential that the airport has is huge going into the future. If you add to this the Wagners desire to upgrade the road infrastructure into the region as well you can really see that the once sleepy town of Toowoomba is to become a city.
Big biz vs. Small biz!
From today's Toowoomba Chronicle:
EARLIER: Regional carrier Skytrans has announced that it will stop its Toowoomba-Sydney flights, after Qantas was confirmed to have signed on to Wellcamp Airport today.
A press release from Skytrans issued this afternoon, shortly after Wellcamp's announcement, said it would "hand over controls" to the major carrier Qantas.
QantasLink will be operating 11 return flights to Sydney each week from Wellcamp.
Skytrans managing director Simon Wild said the city could not sustain two players.
"This is a cause for celebration for the people of Toowoomba, and we congratulate both Qantas and the Wagner family for this exciting announcement," Mr Wild said.
"Unfortunately we are a small family airline and our cost structure does not allow us to compete.
"Many regional markets just aren't big enough for two players, and being a small regional airline, we simply can't compete with the larger carriers."
A press release from Skytrans issued this afternoon, shortly after Wellcamp's announcement, said it would "hand over controls" to the major carrier Qantas.
QantasLink will be operating 11 return flights to Sydney each week from Wellcamp.
Skytrans managing director Simon Wild said the city could not sustain two players.
"This is a cause for celebration for the people of Toowoomba, and we congratulate both Qantas and the Wagner family for this exciting announcement," Mr Wild said.
"Unfortunately we are a small family airline and our cost structure does not allow us to compete.
"Many regional markets just aren't big enough for two players, and being a small regional airline, we simply can't compete with the larger carriers."
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Do QLink operate under an approved FRMS or the standard industry exemption? If under the exemption they can easily do it in one duty period with a 4hr period free of all duty.
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You're correct with your example, but a pre-0600 sign-on means that a 10 hour break is required.
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We have our F/D times detailed in our EBA, and is pretty close to the CAO48 limitations.
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You're correct with your example, but a pre-0600 sign-on means that a 10 hour break is required.
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We have our F/D times detailed in our EBA, and is pretty close to the CAO48 limitations.
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yep SYD crew flying in at 1835, then departing next morning at 0520.
What about fog in winter at that time of morning ?
+ why have any other services unless used by FIFO's ?
Surely must larger % of pax from WTB end not SYD end ?
What about fog in winter at that time of morning ?
+ why have any other services unless used by FIFO's ?
Surely must larger % of pax from WTB end not SYD end ?
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What about fog in winter at that time of morning ?
IME, fog is generally worst just at daybreak. I've never flown near Toowoomba, but unless there's some local knowledge that I'm lacking (I'm a Mexican, after all
), a 0520 departure would likely aviod most of it.It does sound like a prick of an overnight, getting up at 0400. Knowing Qlink, there would NO DOUBT be a Canberra chaser following this sector.
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The fog sits on the range normally east to west and lifts by Gowrie mountain(halfway to Oakey) so Wellcamp is certainly better than the current airport. I can't see Qlink doing the "chock shed approach" from Gowrie mountain.:roll eyes: Yes it can be there in the morning and sometimes lasts for days.
30 mins sign on?????
How can that be SAFE???? Worlds best practice!!
Re fueling with water check, walk around, de-icing? Flight plan.......
Wow must be nice and relaxing at 05:00.....
How can that be SAFE???? Worlds best practice!!
Re fueling with water check, walk around, de-icing? Flight plan.......
Wow must be nice and relaxing at 05:00.....
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30 mins sign on?????
How can that be SAFE???? Worlds best practice!!
Re fueling with water check, walk around, de-icing? Flight plan.......
Wow must be nice and relaxing at 05:00.....
How can that be SAFE???? Worlds best practice!!
Re fueling with water check, walk around, de-icing? Flight plan.......
Wow must be nice and relaxing at 05:00.....
- Refuelling (and water test - if any) is done by the re-fueller.
- Walkaround done by both crew (now only done by one)
- De-icing done by the ground crew
- Flight planning was done the day before. Any changes due to weather are 90% of the time "Put more fuel on". Any changes more serious than that generally result in a delayed departure.
When everything is going your way you can be fuelled, de-iced, loaded, and airborne well within 30 min.
Agreed that getting up early for all this sucks balls, but is a reality of regional flying.
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The question (as best as I could determine) was whether a 30 minute sign-on was safe with re-fuelling/de-icing/flight planning and all.
The answer given was an explanation that all of that can be done in a safe manner by the various entities involved within the 30 minute period.
Then I added some comment (god forbid that that should happen on Prune
)
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The answer given was an explanation that all of that can be done in a safe manner by the various entities involved within the 30 minute period.
Then I added some comment (god forbid that that should happen on Prune
)DIVOSH!