Unsafe Air NZ Landing
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Unsafe Air NZ Landing
'Stressed' pilot made unsafe foggy landing | Stuff.co.nz
I can imagine that this debrief would have been interesting. Sounds like you could of considered him 'incapacitated' after the non-response to the previous two SOP calls. Good reminder that 'fit to fly' doesn't just include physical symptoms. I personally was given a bit of a grilling by management when I said I needed a one week mental health break after a few personal issues.
I can imagine that this debrief would have been interesting. Sounds like you could of considered him 'incapacitated' after the non-response to the previous two SOP calls. Good reminder that 'fit to fly' doesn't just include physical symptoms. I personally was given a bit of a grilling by management when I said I needed a one week mental health break after a few personal issues.
.... when I said I needed a one week mental health break after a few personal issues.
pity the bean-counters don't see it that way....
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I just read the report and I think it would be a bit of a stretch to say that it was safe. If you don't make the standard calls at 1000ft, or 100 above, or at minima, then something is not right.
I can imagine that being loaded up with stress from medical issues plus the aftershocks plus the check Captain that you've had a bad experience with, could potentially overload you, especially when you're 68 although the report said that age wasn't found to be a factor.
I can imagine that being loaded up with stress from medical issues plus the aftershocks plus the check Captain that you've had a bad experience with, could potentially overload you, especially when you're 68 although the report said that age wasn't found to be a factor.
Oh, the old "nothing bad happened, therefore it is safe" argument. You will go a long way in modern management circles my friend.
This entire industry of ours has been made safer, not only by analysing accidents, but close calls too.
If the pilot was not fit to fly, he or she should have call it in and had the day off. Sadly I can't imagine many airline managers seeing stress as a legitimate reason not to fly, despite the law saying it is.
This entire industry of ours has been made safer, not only by analysing accidents, but close calls too.
If the pilot was not fit to fly, he or she should have call it in and had the day off. Sadly I can't imagine many airline managers seeing stress as a legitimate reason not to fly, despite the law saying it is.
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Full report available at upper left of the screen
Investigation 11-007
Descent below instrument approach minima, Christchurch International Airport, 29 October 2011
Investigation 11-007
Descent below instrument approach minima, Christchurch International Airport, 29 October 2011
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2020 Hindsight.
Non compliance. Yes
Should have called sick. Yes
Unsafe?
Don't know the gentleman but would rather he was upfront than the guys in SanFrancisco on a a clear day....... enough said.
Should have called sick. Yes
Unsafe?
Don't know the gentleman but would rather he was upfront than the guys in SanFrancisco on a a clear day....... enough said.
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Is it a concern that his history of not replying to standard calls took an incident of this nature to be addressed? I would rather know if my captain is incapacitated at 1000ft than 100ft below DA.
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Oh, the old "nothing bad happened, therefore it is safe" argument. You will go a long way in modern management circles my friend.
This entire industry of ours has been made safer, not only by analysing accidents, but close calls too.
Journalists, however, love the word - in conjures up all the public emotions at the expense of our industry, just to sell more newspapers.
Safety margins are reduced by events or environmental factors hundreds of times per day. That's why we start the day with wide safety margins. Just because a safety margin has been reduced by a particular event doesn't automatically make the flight "unsafe".
'Derf' yr quite right there everything in aviation is based on safety margins from the lowest IQ level for a pilot to the space shuttle type drivers that lurk in a cockpit:-)
Take NDB App's for Eg. We need to be within 5 De 's of inbound trk to start decent, Christ how many NDB's have been successfully completed way outside of 5 deg's? Zillions, daily for sure.
Pressures are on all of us whilst in the drivers seat, some handle it better than others hence we have these 'margins' in place.
SOP's, margins, excess performance (airframe/engine wise) are all there to protect us all, the only real grey area is the human brain an ever changing CPU, remove the variables there & we here would be all talking about the weather only!:-).
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Take NDB App's for Eg. We need to be within 5 De 's of inbound trk to start decent, Christ how many NDB's have been successfully completed way outside of 5 deg's? Zillions, daily for sure.
Pressures are on all of us whilst in the drivers seat, some handle it better than others hence we have these 'margins' in place.
SOP's, margins, excess performance (airframe/engine wise) are all there to protect us all, the only real grey area is the human brain an ever changing CPU, remove the variables there & we here would be all talking about the weather only!:-).
Wmk2
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