A company with money to burn
A company with money to burn
Surely this must just be bad reporting.
I get that an altercation happened on the flight and apparently there were assaults on three crew members - we obviously don't know all of the details and I don't want to speculate on that - I just hope they are all right.
What I don't get (assuming it's accurate reporting) is that this airline seems to have so much cash it can dead-head the flight back to Australia - and then probably send a 'spare' up to Bali to pick up the stranded passengers
Surely a new/supplemental crew could be sent
Abusive passenger leaves 267 Jetstar passengers stranded in Bali
Any details?
I get that an altercation happened on the flight and apparently there were assaults on three crew members - we obviously don't know all of the details and I don't want to speculate on that - I just hope they are all right.
What I don't get (assuming it's accurate reporting) is that this airline seems to have so much cash it can dead-head the flight back to Australia - and then probably send a 'spare' up to Bali to pick up the stranded passengers
Surely a new/supplemental crew could be sent
Abusive passenger leaves 267 Jetstar passengers stranded in Bali
Any details?
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Supplementary crew sent from where? How? If it's a return flight the next day then the aeroplane is on the ground for 24 hours and misses the next flight it's supposed to operate. Perhaps that flight is BNE-DPS the next day?
Further, if you're waiting for supplementary crew then everyone is off to the pub anyway and delayed a bunch of hours.
These things happen on a semi regular basis.
What I want to know is what FRMS or airline risk analysis says that it's ok to depart MEL at 1800 and do a multi sector overnight arriving at 0600 the next morning?
Further, if you're waiting for supplementary crew then everyone is off to the pub anyway and delayed a bunch of hours.
These things happen on a semi regular basis.
What I want to know is what FRMS or airline risk analysis says that it's ok to depart MEL at 1800 and do a multi sector overnight arriving at 0600 the next morning?
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easy keg. the one that says youre fit to crew the aircraft to a safe landing in mel but we're happy to buy you a taxi home because we acknowledge we have a duty of care to not let you drive home after such a duty.
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I've read that paragraph in the FRMS rules.
It's right before the chapter that says when one company determines that a multi sector back of the clock exceeds the level of risk the operator is prepared to accept due fatigue. It allows another subsidiary to operate the same multi sector back of the clock pairing cause the subsidiary has fuel efficient modern aircraft that operate in a different operating environment.
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I've read that paragraph in the FRMS rules.
It's right before the chapter that says when one company determines that a multi sector back of the clock exceeds the level of risk the operator is prepared to accept due fatigue. It allows another subsidiary to operate the same multi sector back of the clock pairing cause the subsidiary has fuel efficient modern aircraft that operate in a different operating environment.
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I was pax on a Jetstar flight from Bali several years back, and became concerned at the cabin crew fatigue since the inbound flight from Melbourne was delayed. I lodged a complaint with CASA, but nothing transpired.
As I understood it, flight crew only fly one sector, but cabin crew do the round trip. I think it is a crushing shift, leaving Australia at 3pm and returning at 6.30am or later - what is the limit on duty times? With pre and post flight, surely this daily roster puts the cabin crew somewhere near 18 hours duty time?
As I understood it, flight crew only fly one sector, but cabin crew do the round trip. I think it is a crushing shift, leaving Australia at 3pm and returning at 6.30am or later - what is the limit on duty times? With pre and post flight, surely this daily roster puts the cabin crew somewhere near 18 hours duty time?
A "crushing shift"! Try working in a hospital emergency room or pulling 18 hour days continuously in the Navy at sea in a Sea State 5-6.......
The press walked past the fact that the bogans created the situation and it is happening more and more. One only has to look at the dress [or lack thereof] and manners at the terminals to see what's going on. Hardly Jetstar or Virgins or others fault. Bring back a minimum dress code would be a good start plus make them have a bath occasionally!
The press walked past the fact that the bogans created the situation and it is happening more and more. One only has to look at the dress [or lack thereof] and manners at the terminals to see what's going on. Hardly Jetstar or Virgins or others fault. Bring back a minimum dress code would be a good start plus make them have a bath occasionally!
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Cabin crew don't have tour of duty limits. Sometimes there are limits in their respective agreements.
Let's be honest, an 18 hour tour of duty DFW- SYD with a horizontal crew rest available is a very different thing to MEL- DPS- BNE with no crew rest.
Let's be honest, an 18 hour tour of duty DFW- SYD with a horizontal crew rest available is a very different thing to MEL- DPS- BNE with no crew rest.
TBM-Legend,
only a pilot would make light of an 18 hour, multi sector, back of clock F/A tour of duty [without horizontal crew rest] as being anything less than arduous.
You sir are clearly, a cretin.
only a pilot would make light of an 18 hour, multi sector, back of clock F/A tour of duty [without horizontal crew rest] as being anything less than arduous.
You sir are clearly, a cretin.
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G'day nipticker. Nope. There are no Australian CAO limits for cabin crew. The Qantas LHCC EBA has some limitations in it and various means of extension to a commenced tour of duty but there are no aviation regulatory limits.
Hence you get some truly diabolical tours of duty for SIN based F/As- 3 sector 20 hours planned tour of duty according to a JQ A330 captain I spoke with recently.
Hence you get some truly diabolical tours of duty for SIN based F/As- 3 sector 20 hours planned tour of duty according to a JQ A330 captain I spoke with recently.
F/A's will be working to a CAO instrument in the near future that is based loosely on CAO 48.
That's all about to change. F/A's will be working to a CAO instrument in the near future that is based loosely on CAO 48.
How do we know that there wasn't some reason that the Aircraft had to be back in Oz such as a maintenance requirement which could have expired before the 'new crew' could have been paxed up.
