Virgin Australia Flight hijacked
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What is it with these brain-dead Neanderthals?
They're travelling to Bali, a destination where they remain drunk for the entire duration of their stay. Why do they have to start before they even arrive?
They're travelling to Bali, a destination where they remain drunk for the entire duration of their stay. Why do they have to start before they even arrive?
Ken-----mate really? I don't work for Qantas or Virgin but I can tell you that if some bloke was banging heavily on my cockpit door only 3 feet behind my head then I sure as heck would seriously consider the appropriate course of action unless the cabin crew were able to resolve the situation.
You cannot be serious with your Monday morning quarterbacking of this incident WITHOUT knowing the facts.
As for the Indo's closing the Airport, that's their call mate and not Virgins. Sensible considering the situation they were trying to determine.
PULL YA HEAD IN.
You cannot be serious with your Monday morning quarterbacking of this incident WITHOUT knowing the facts.
As for the Indo's closing the Airport, that's their call mate and not Virgins. Sensible considering the situation they were trying to determine.
PULL YA HEAD IN.
ACARs is secure is it?
chookcooker....... Couldn't possibly be as professional as the other mob
What is it with these brain-dead Neanderthals?
They're travelling to Bali, a destination where they remain drunk for the entire duration of their stay. Why do they have to start before they even arrive?
They're travelling to Bali, a destination where they remain drunk for the entire duration of their stay. Why do they have to start before they even arrive?
I don't work for Qantas or Virgin
Ad Astra manages to personally attack those who make valid and logical points. Like those of his ilk, his childish comments say more about him than anything else. His ad hominem attacks do nothing to advance his argument, if he has one.
On publicly available information, this incident appears to reflect poorly on the professionalism of the airline concerned. Whoever has heard before of a drunk pax being responsible for the closure of an international airport with subsequent disruption and inconvenience?
Obviously have a axe to grind with Virgin hu? Your not known as 4_holer are you? or may AJ?
If VA had the wisdom, they'd have fitted ACARS to their aircraft. As we know, this system, and the digital sat-phone, is probably the most secure way in which to communicate. A lot of issues can be easily resolved with either tool.
There's that complete lack of understanding showing it's ugly Ken Borough shaped head again which your completely known for.
ACARS isn't secure. Sat phone wouldn't have done anything, because the response from the Indonesians would have been completely the same.
Ad Astra manages to personally attack those who make valid and logical points. Like those of his ilk, his childish comments say more about him than anything else. His ad hominem attacks do nothing to advance his argument, if he has one.
On publicly available information, this incident appears to reflect poorly on the professionalism of the airline concerned. Whoever has heard before of a drunk pax being responsible for the closure of an international airport with subsequent disruption and inconvenience?
If VA had the wisdom, they'd have fitted ACARS to their aircraft. As we know, this system, and the digital sat-phone, is probably the most secure way in which to communicate. A lot of issues can be easily resolved with either tool.
On publicly available information, this incident appears to reflect poorly on the professionalism of the airline concerned. Whoever has heard before of a drunk pax being responsible for the closure of an international airport with subsequent disruption and inconvenience?
If VA had the wisdom, they'd have fitted ACARS to their aircraft. As we know, this system, and the digital sat-phone, is probably the most secure way in which to communicate. A lot of issues can be easily resolved with either tool.
It is apparent that you know nothing of VAA operations nor of what we have installed.
Your own words do more for my case than anything I can say.
Keep it up!
If you had the wisdom you would perhaps sit on the sideline and spare us your rants.
If ASO's had of been on board they too would have treated the situation with the same degree of importance that the crew and authorities thought it deserved.
They don't, but they do! If the guy was drunk before he boarded, why was he allowed board? If he managed to get inebriated on the flight, WTF were the FAs doing by serving him alcohol? If he managed to consume his carry-on duty free, why weren't the FAs sufficiently alert to prevent the bloke from drinking it? There can not be any excuses for this bloke who surely embarrasses most Australians but there must have been some mitigation strategies available to the crew before the problem turned phugly
I can't recall how many times drunks have made it on board QF aircraft undetected by ground staff, cabin crew etc and then created some form of drama on board, nothing like this situation however thats more good luck than good management.
Drunks get into nightclubs undetected, some even drive their cars undetected. some have their own alcohol they poor into a mixer so no one is aware i.e. rum/scotch in with a coke and presto. For all I know it may have been drugs mixed with alcolhol. So CC give him a drink or 2, he pops a pill.................... How do you suggest CC monitor 100+ passengers 100% of the time. You are way out of touch.
Would I be close if I suggested you are an auditor in QF of some form?
Ad astra.. I neither seek fame here nor am I an armchair expert. I merely wished to raise these points for mature discussion, something which you are clearly incapable of doing.
What transpired led to an international airport being closed for some time and a lot of costly diversions being carried out. The authorities acted in accordance with set down procedures as they would. If the correct procedure for dealing with unruly passengers in VA is to squawk h/j , well then so be it.
As always, we can learn from these experiences without being denigrated for putting the discussion out there. Please remember the first "P" in this forum is professional .
What transpired led to an international airport being closed for some time and a lot of costly diversions being carried out. The authorities acted in accordance with set down procedures as they would. If the correct procedure for dealing with unruly passengers in VA is to squawk h/j , well then so be it.
As always, we can learn from these experiences without being denigrated for putting the discussion out there. Please remember the first "P" in this forum is professional .
A couple of points come to mind.
If the cabin crew had been serving this git grog for the last 3 odd hours, surely they would have known he was two sheets. If so why wasn't this communicated to the skipper. If it was, when was the last time a successful hijack was carried out by a retard drunk?? Especially since enhanced security flight deck doors were installed. Squawking the code for a drunk bashing on a door that could take a decent explosive seems a bit harsh. But then again, I wasn't there, so who am I to judge?
If the cabin crew had been serving this git grog for the last 3 odd hours, surely they would have known he was two sheets. If so why wasn't this communicated to the skipper. If it was, when was the last time a successful hijack was carried out by a retard drunk?? Especially since enhanced security flight deck doors were installed. Squawking the code for a drunk bashing on a door that could take a decent explosive seems a bit harsh. But then again, I wasn't there, so who am I to judge?
oldhasbeen
The problem I have is that as Judge, Jury and Executioner you make sweeping statements of fact of what occurred in the cabin, what the actions of the Cabin Crew were, what was communicated to the flight crew, what concerns the Flight Crew had, and then criticise the Cabin Crew and Flight Crew for the actions they took because they don't fit in with your opinion.
Oh......... "but I wasn't there so who am I to judge"
Spare me the justification of "I merely wished to raise these points for mature discussion" ..........What utter rubbish.
With your "Capital P" I would expect any crew to treat the incident as a real attack on the security of the aircraft until such time as the threat was removed.
If that shuts down an airport then so be it!
If you place more concern on how the Indonesians acted than what transpired behind that cockpit door and how this crew responded then yes you are correct I am incapable in having a mature discussion with you!
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Ken is a putz
I still do not know why people engage with that numpty Ken Borough. He is a low level QF minion of no importance, and a serial plane spotter. Some days I suspect he is besties with Geoffrey Thomas. Ken also fills up the internal QF system with pointless blogs about facts unknown, based on his own limited and lame views and grossly inaccurate understanding of aviation.
Ken, go back to your scanner and keep recording plane registrations and noting interesting colour schemes!
Ken, go back to your scanner and keep recording plane registrations and noting interesting colour schemes!
.................ya gotta love PPrune talk about entertaining, 50 or so posts in a few hours with lots of personal attacks about something that was handled the way the Capt saw fit at the time, his decision.
Drunk people fly everyday/night here in Oz, way of life to be expected & simply put use whatever force is necessary to subdued anyone whom YOU perceive as a threat.
Am surprised the Mods haven't slammed this one shut, I mean they lock a lot of threads for a lot less, they must be away for the long W/E at a group hug resort
Wmk2
p.s......'drpixie' love those made up codes:-):-)
Drunk people fly everyday/night here in Oz, way of life to be expected & simply put use whatever force is necessary to subdued anyone whom YOU perceive as a threat.
Am surprised the Mods haven't slammed this one shut, I mean they lock a lot of threads for a lot less, they must be away for the long W/E at a group hug resort
Wmk2
p.s......'drpixie' love those made up codes:-):-)
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Was the drunk really trying to get into the flight deck? Or was he merely being funny/smart (in his inebriated mind)?
Perhaps he was, perhaps he wasn't.
Perhaps he was, perhaps he wasn't.
Even though I said that I would take nitpicker's advice and pull my head in, I can't allow Gate_15L's latest effort pass without comment. His post asking me if I'm 'retarded' is not only offensive to me but to anyone who has the misfortune to know and love anyone who was born with or acquired a disability who the uneducated in our midst would call 'retarded'. It's time to grow up. With that, I'm outta here and I'll leave the precious here to insult someone else who has the temerity to disagree with their jaundiced points of view. 
Jesus wept, what is it about this place that one daren't question whether someone had made the right call without half the posters carrying on like a bunch of bogans defending their precious footy team?
The Indons haven't done themselves any favours in the past but on this occasion I find it difficult to fault their response to a hijack squawk - reports are this tool was restrained onboard before they even landed so a simple radio call to have him removed by the boys with white holsters would have sufficed (yes 20/20 hindsight, but you can bet your bottom dollar the debrief will be exactly along those lines).
The Indons haven't done themselves any favours in the past but on this occasion I find it difficult to fault their response to a hijack squawk - reports are this tool was restrained onboard before they even landed so a simple radio call to have him removed by the boys with white holsters would have sufficed (yes 20/20 hindsight, but you can bet your bottom dollar the debrief will be exactly along those lines).
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Quite interesting how this has turned into something I’d expect to see in a primary school.
Meanwhile, the latest from news.com.au;
So he placed his ‘medication’ in the cockpit?
What was the condition – fcukwititis? He was ‘searching’ for his wife. Why ‘searching’. Did she do a runner?
The article includes a bunch of pictures of Mr ockley..ummmm...’celebrating’ after his release in Indonesia.
Meanwhile, the latest from news.com.au;
Matt Christopher Lockley, 28, told police who questioned him into the night in Bali, “I am not drunk, I am not drunk”.
Before leaving Brisbane he had only: “two Voltaren, four Panadol and two cans of Coca-Cola,” police said.
Police sources say that he claimed he was banging on the cockpit door because he wanted medication from his luggage. And cabin crew described him to police as being unstable and appearing paranoid.
Before leaving Brisbane he had only: “two Voltaren, four Panadol and two cans of Coca-Cola,” police said.
Police sources say that he claimed he was banging on the cockpit door because he wanted medication from his luggage. And cabin crew described him to police as being unstable and appearing paranoid.
Lockley was today taken to a Bali hospital where police learned he was being treated for a medical condition.
He was travelling to Bali in search of his Indonesian wife, whom he hasn’t seen in two weeks, police spokesman Hery Wiyanto said.
He was travelling to Bali in search of his Indonesian wife, whom he hasn’t seen in two weeks, police spokesman Hery Wiyanto said.
The article includes a bunch of pictures of Mr ockley..ummmm...’celebrating’ after his release in Indonesia.
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Lets take the attention if both the flight and cabin crew for a moment - how long will it be before alcohol is banned on flights? If idiots continue to do things like this, airlines will ban serving and selling alcohol.