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Old 21st Apr 2014, 02:00
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QF Fraud - allowances

Wonderful article in the Australian online today. Very accurate as they strive to be (haha) -

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rc...65058239,d.dGI

Found this quote worthy of PPRuNe:

“If you’re a flight attendant helping yourself to relatively small amounts of alcohol from the flight deck or taxi dockets for unauthorised travel, you will probably lose your job,’’ said an airline insider
No matter how hard I look - i can never find the hidden alcohol supply on the flight deck... maybe it was hidden in the old windshield repellent canisters!
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 02:06
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I commented on that! Not surprisingly it wasn't posted....
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 05:38
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Are allowances determined by your domicile? Where you actually live is irrelevant.
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 07:31
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It appears the First shots' been fired in the Industrial battle Ladies and gents…

There is no reason for this to have been leaked to the press.

You are now all greedy fraudulent overpaid bus drivers with alcohol on the flight deck to any layperson who reads this.

Try standing up to the pay freeze now suckers…
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 07:38
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Agree. This is not 'news,' it is an attack on the profession.

1. Firefighters
2. Paramedics
3. Rescue volunteers
4. Nurses
5. Pilots
6. Doctors
7. Pharmacists
8. Veterinarians
9. Air traffic controllers
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 07:39
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Nice to see the arsehole FAAA immediately piling in on this.

I for one am getting tired of back stabbing cabin crew.
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 08:20
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I for one am getting tired of back stabbing cabin crew.
OK, I'll bite.

Do tell ???
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 09:20
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The cabin crew are under so much pressure as it is, have a go at the union fair enough but keep the front line staff out of it. Rise above this crap. It's only the first shot.
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1. Firefighters
2. Paramedics
3. Rescue volunteers
4. Nurses
5. Pilots
6. Doctors
7. Pharmacists
8. Veterinarians
9. Air traffic controllers
10. Farmers
I don't see Human Resources, Public Relations, or CEO's on that list. I wonder where they come?
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 10:52
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Are allowances determined by your domicile? Where you actually live is irrelevant.
I would have thought so, and it can cut both ways. I bet if the course was at your domicile and you had to travel the company wouldn't pay any allowances.
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 11:43
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You asked for it. On a list that only goes to 50:

41. CEOs
45. Real estate agents
49. Politicians
50. Door-to-door salespeople
They didn't ask about HR or PR, so I'll assume they're right at the bottom with Politicians.
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 12:09
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This leak has all the fingerprints of the QF media machine all over it.

It's from the same files as the 3000, no hang on not big enough reaction, make that 5000 jobs but have no clue where we are actually going to sack 5000 from???!!

So lets leak about some greedy Rich pilots rorting the system to the detriment of poor little loss making Qantas, (the same poor little Qantas that our illustrious Senior management appear to rort every other day) provide little detail and let as much mud stick as possible on our profession. Great business plan you clowns and you wonder why we are all so engaged!!!

It appears the First shots' been fired in the Industrial battle Ladies and gents…
Industrial dirty tricks early??? You bet. Because this mob are incapable of anything else, especially running an Airline.

Any other side show that they can conjure up just takes the focus off of their P#$$ Poor performance.

Lets wait for August and see who's fault it will be for the full year loss. Any other company with a respectable board would have had this CEO and His management team dismissed for these dismal performances over the last five years a long time ago. How much more crap do we have to endure????
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 13:36
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Any 'perceived' favouritism in the treatment of Pilots v Cabin Crew is most likely due to the relative strength of each industrial organisation and the percentage of Union membership amongst each group of employees.

The multitude of awards and conditions that QF Flight Attendants work under has led to a somewhat fractured group of employees with lower Union membership and I believe can be partly to blame for the 'dobbing' culture that exists.

It is out of line for the FAAA (whilst not specifically mentioned in the article) to be commenting on this matter.

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Old 21st Apr 2014, 13:56
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No sympathy from me

If the allegations in The Australian article are correct then I have no sympathy for the senior Qantas pilots accused of fraud.

OK we know the media (particularly Murdoch papers) are not exactly the bastions of truth and there maybe another agenda here, but if it turns out to be true, then they should be sacked.

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Old 21st Apr 2014, 14:02
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$18000 for a 12 week course? What is this to cover?
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 15:34
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Accommodation, meals and incidentals.
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 21:43
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Yes a poorly written and probably inaccurate media leak is questionable at this time!

However, if these individuals have knowingly done the wrong thing then they are guilty of defrauding the Company and bring disrepute both to themselves and our profession. Actions then justifiably have consequences regardless of who you are or what you do. There should be one measuring stick in this whether pilot, cabin crew or a manager with his/her hand in the till, if this is the case!

Let the matter be investigated properly and let's not be too quick to defend or judge without knowing all the facts.
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 22:26
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So only one of these pilots is a captain, then the other three are first officers yet earn more than $200,000 a year.

What a crock
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 22:30
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Qantas pilots stood down over fraud claim



FOUR senior Qantas pilots, ­including a captain, have been suspended from flying duties and removed from an ongoing training course after the discovery of an alleged expenses rort involving tens of thousands of dollars at the airline.


The pilots are under internal investigation for claiming almost $20,000 each from cash-strapped Qantas as an allowance for living away from their homes for the duration of the Sydney-based course, which is mandatory to upgrade their skills.


Senior sources told The Australian yesterday that the pilots had falsely purported that their NSW homes were more than 200km from Sydney. This meant they would have been entitled to about $18,000 each in allowances over the 12 weeks of the course.


The payment of the allowance is meant to compensate for the costs of accommodation, food and other miscellaneous expenses in Sydney when pilots are on a training course and living away from home for an extended ­period. The policy and its guidelines were designed to be strictly ­observed to ensure that only ­pilots who lived too far to commute would benefit from generous allowances.


The four pilots, all of whom are experienced on the Qantas 737 passenger jets, were immediately stood down after management discovered in recent days that they lived in Sydney and had no entitlement to the expenses.
It is understood that each of the pilots earns more than $200,000 a year in gross salary while the captain commands significantly more in salary and ­allowances.


An internal investigation is at an early stage and could lead to more serious ramifications. A fraud or attempted fraud on the airline, which has been reporting record losses and seen a collapse in its share price, may be referred to police.


A Qantas spokeswoman who was asked about the suspensions and the investigation replied with a written statement: “The overwhelming majority of Qantas staff do the right thing when it comes to allowances, but if we reasonably believe anyone is not sticking to the rules we’ll investigate and act accordingly.’’


The spokeswoman, who refused to confirm or deny the details that were provided to The Australian, added: “Qantas doesn’t comment on any individual staff issues.’’


Senior staff who want the investigation to ­determine if others have been rorting the system.


Flight attendants and their industrial representatives are watching management’s responses to the case because of perceptions that the pilots receive preferential treatment, an airline source said yesterday.
Flight attendants have complained internally that their colleagues have been fired over relatively minor amounts but pilots have been let off over more serious alleged misconduct.


“If you’re a flight attendant helping yourself to relatively small amounts of alcohol from the flight deck or taxi dockets for unauthorised travel, you will probably lose your job,’’ said an airline insider.
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Old 21st Apr 2014, 22:32
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There is no way any of the Pilots would have leaked this to the Aus. I think it an absolute disgrace that Qantas have leaked this story and doing so has breached a number of their own policies. If that was investigated I am certain they would deny all knowledge.
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