Runway Changes Could Hamper Regional Aviation
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Runway changes could hamper regional aviation and force airlines including Rex to curtail outback services - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Runway changes could hamper regional aviation and force airlines including Rex to curtail outback services
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By Caroline Winter
Updated 9 hours 10 minutes ago
Photo: Regional Express has worries about the changes (Rex)
Map: Coober Pedy 5723
New aviation rules could affect a number of regional areas where airstrips fail to meet international standards.
The proposed changes could hamper flights to outback Coober Pedy in South Australia, and areas with narrower-than-standard runways including Ballina in northern New South Wales and Emerald, Bundaberg and the Sunshine Coast in Queensland.
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) wants to ensure all runways are of a width which meets international standards.
Coober Pedy Council says it will have to change its airstrip but it does not have enough money to do so.
The airline Regional Express (Rex) is warning it might have to axe flights to the town, which could hit tourism and mining.
Commercial airlines have been taking passengers to and from Coober Pedy for 27 years.
Since 2007, Rex has been the sole operator in the market, offering its flights six days per week.
Network strategy and sales manager with Rex, Warrick Lodge, says it is a difficult time for airlines generally.
"Regional airlines are doing it tough at the moment. The aviation industry's in crisis. We can do without these red tape issues, restricting services to remote regional communities that so heavily rely upon them," he said.
"If these regulations are promulgated and there are no changes made, we are not able to operate to Coober Pedy airport unless the runway is widened.
"Those same regulations will apply to all operators. This is something that's of grave concern for Coober Pedy."
Wide enough airstrip, but part gravel
The international regulations require a 30-metre-wide sealed runway.
The strip at Coober Pedy is 30 metres wide but only 18 metres are sealed.
Coober Pedy airport has been operating under an exemption, but Mr Lodge says CASA has now cited safety concerns as the reason for needing a change.
"Regional Express has very advanced safety management systems in place. Those safety management systems have not identified any safety-related issues in terms of operating to Coober Pedy with an 18-metre-wide gravel strip and this is certainly an issue which is all about red tape and really an issue that should be addressed quickly," he said.
"Losing the service would essentially destroy the tourist industry and it would place an enormous cost-time burden on local businesses and create a massive inconvenience for the residents," he said.
He said it also would affect fly-in, fly-out mining operations in the outback.
Mr Baines says the South Australian Government pledged $340,000 if it were matched by federal money and the council would make up the shortfall.
But a grant application has been knocked back by the Federal Government.
Audio: Listen to Caroline Winter's report on regional aviation (PM)
"One option is that someone in Canberra has to find the will to continue the exemption in the short-term," Mr Baines said.
"The second is that the Federal and State Government and our council find the $720,000 to widen the runway.
"The third one unfortunately is that come February next year, if neither of those are done, we're cut off from the rest of the country and international tourism."
Peter Gibson of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority says there has been confusion over the new rules.
"Australia is aligning our runway rules with the international standards and that means that there's a slightly different approach, but the Civil Aviation Safety Authority is certainly not requiring regional aerodromes with narrow runways to go out and immediately widen them," he said.
"The council (at Coober Pedy) needs to understand that Rex is in talks with the Civil Aviation Safety Authority about getting the required documentation to operate under the proposed new standards.
"Now if the standards go ahead, they can get their documentation and Rex can continue to operate onto narrow runways with their aircraft."
A draft proposal on the runway width review has been released this week and is open for comment until May.
Runway changes could hamper regional aviation and force airlines including Rex to curtail outback services - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Runway changes could hamper regional aviation and force airlines including Rex to curtail outback services
PM
By Caroline Winter
Updated 9 hours 10 minutes ago
Photo: Regional Express has worries about the changes (Rex) Map: Coober Pedy 5723
New aviation rules could affect a number of regional areas where airstrips fail to meet international standards.
The proposed changes could hamper flights to outback Coober Pedy in South Australia, and areas with narrower-than-standard runways including Ballina in northern New South Wales and Emerald, Bundaberg and the Sunshine Coast in Queensland.
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) wants to ensure all runways are of a width which meets international standards.
Coober Pedy Council says it will have to change its airstrip but it does not have enough money to do so.
The airline Regional Express (Rex) is warning it might have to axe flights to the town, which could hit tourism and mining.
Commercial airlines have been taking passengers to and from Coober Pedy for 27 years.
Since 2007, Rex has been the sole operator in the market, offering its flights six days per week.
Network strategy and sales manager with Rex, Warrick Lodge, says it is a difficult time for airlines generally.
"Regional airlines are doing it tough at the moment. The aviation industry's in crisis. We can do without these red tape issues, restricting services to remote regional communities that so heavily rely upon them," he said.
"If these regulations are promulgated and there are no changes made, we are not able to operate to Coober Pedy airport unless the runway is widened.
"Those same regulations will apply to all operators. This is something that's of grave concern for Coober Pedy."
Wide enough airstrip, but part gravel
The international regulations require a 30-metre-wide sealed runway.
The strip at Coober Pedy is 30 metres wide but only 18 metres are sealed.
Coober Pedy airport has been operating under an exemption, but Mr Lodge says CASA has now cited safety concerns as the reason for needing a change.
"Regional Express has very advanced safety management systems in place. Those safety management systems have not identified any safety-related issues in terms of operating to Coober Pedy with an 18-metre-wide gravel strip and this is certainly an issue which is all about red tape and really an issue that should be addressed quickly," he said.
Australia is aligning our runway rules with the international standards and that means that there's a slightly different approach, but the Civil Aviation Safety Authority is certainly not requiring regional aerodromes with narrow runways to go out and immediately widen them
Peter Gibson, CASA
Coober Pedy Mayor Steve Baines is worried for the outback community if Rex pulls out.Peter Gibson, CASA
"Losing the service would essentially destroy the tourist industry and it would place an enormous cost-time burden on local businesses and create a massive inconvenience for the residents," he said.
He said it also would affect fly-in, fly-out mining operations in the outback.
Mr Baines says the South Australian Government pledged $340,000 if it were matched by federal money and the council would make up the shortfall.
But a grant application has been knocked back by the Federal Government.
Audio: Listen to Caroline Winter's report on regional aviation (PM)
"One option is that someone in Canberra has to find the will to continue the exemption in the short-term," Mr Baines said.
"The second is that the Federal and State Government and our council find the $720,000 to widen the runway.
"The third one unfortunately is that come February next year, if neither of those are done, we're cut off from the rest of the country and international tourism."
Peter Gibson of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority says there has been confusion over the new rules.
"Australia is aligning our runway rules with the international standards and that means that there's a slightly different approach, but the Civil Aviation Safety Authority is certainly not requiring regional aerodromes with narrow runways to go out and immediately widen them," he said.
"The council (at Coober Pedy) needs to understand that Rex is in talks with the Civil Aviation Safety Authority about getting the required documentation to operate under the proposed new standards.
"Now if the standards go ahead, they can get their documentation and Rex can continue to operate onto narrow runways with their aircraft."
A draft proposal on the runway width review has been released this week and is open for comment until May.
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This is all part of the CAsA policy of "SAFE SKIES ARE EMPTY SKIES".
Why would anyone thing CAsA gives two hoots whether outback Australia has an air service or not. They are only required to consider safety.
One wonders why they only require 30 meters though. Obviously the wider the runway the safer it is, perhaps they should require runways to be as wide as they are long, just to be on the safe side!
Why would anyone thing CAsA gives two hoots whether outback Australia has an air service or not. They are only required to consider safety.
One wonders why they only require 30 meters though. Obviously the wider the runway the safer it is, perhaps they should require runways to be as wide as they are long, just to be on the safe side!
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interesting.
if the government had spent $240,000,000 upgrading facilities instead of wasting all the money on a regulatory wet dream there would be no problem and safety would actually be improved.
stop sending Australia into the 3rd world CAsA.
if the government had spent $240,000,000 upgrading facilities instead of wasting all the money on a regulatory wet dream there would be no problem and safety would actually be improved.
stop sending Australia into the 3rd world CAsA.
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Ah, so it is not a runway width issue, rather a matter of more paper to enhance safety? 
"Now if the standards go ahead, they can get their documentation and Rex can continue to operate onto narrow runways with their aircraft."
And of course there is a Casa fee to pay for the issue of the said exemption
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There is a cost to harmonising our rules.
What will happen to Sydney with it's A380 exemption?
Who is going to pay for the Code E 45m wide runway to be widened to Code F 60m?
What will happen to Sydney with it's A380 exemption?
Who is going to pay for the Code E 45m wide runway to be widened to Code F 60m?
Ah, so it is not a runway width issue, rather a matter of more paper to enhance safety?
Yes you can but like BN along comes a 380 and blows it away
So it has to be all done again but there is a up side, it creates jobs so that's a plus for someone
So it has to be all done again but there is a up side, it creates jobs so that's a plus for someone
There is a lot more to this story.
It began with a half arsed attempt at harmonization when the AIP reference to being able to use a runway narrower than usually required, if the runway was a particular length and operator used half the crosswind component as the max allowable on said runways.
When this reference was removed, instantly a whole bunch of people suddenly found themselves in breach of the law. A whole bunch of foot stamping and pill spitting later CASA found themselves issuing instruments left right and center for operations that were previously par for the course.
However is did not only effect the smaller operators, other places such as YBSU were also affected.
The department in their infinite wisdom then told said operators that they would have to have a "Narrow Runway Operational Supplement" in order to continue operations. Numerous organizations went out and in some cases have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in order to comply with CASA's new edict, which for some people has taken and extraordinary amount of time.
The results?
Costs to the operators due to administrative burden and the initial disruption to the customers..... oh and the CASA costs for a dispo for something that is normal.
Cost to the operators in getting OEM approval for flight manual supplements.
Has there been any safety issue involving a runway excursion on a so called "Narrow Runway", (no evidence found).
About a dozen airport operators that are scratching their heads wondering how they going to fund widening there runways up to 50% to comply with a foreign standard.
Who do you think will be the recipient of the ultimate bill for this folly in harmonization????
Another question is to ask why we need this harmonization in the first place and do they really understand the impetus for the whole change? Lets go to ICAO and have a squizz shall we. 30 metre runways in oz for A320/737 ops are more than adequate given the fact, that we have the most benign meteorological environment, an average of 8 below par days annually and you tell me a Jet airline destination in this country that regularly has anything close to the the definition of a contaminated runway. I mean proper standing water, ice , slush etc. Yep that's right a big fat ZERO, maybe Darwin in a heavy wet but the rest of it...... nah.
ICAO requiring 45 metres is all to do with limiting the deviation from centreline either takeoff or landing, on runways that may be contaminated. All you need to do is add in slush and snow and it's a fun time, believe me. So that extra 7.5 metres per side would allow for an much larger (50%) deviation from centreline should these unknown to Australia conditions actually prevail here.
Guess what they dont exist here so why do we have to comply with a non existent boogy man that has its foundations in a risk register and a safety case sitting on the desk of someone in Montreal in winter which is so far removed from YBSU which gets 300 days of sun per annum.........
The cost to industry (airports and operators) is outrageous given that the conditions behind the ICAO standard simply do not exist in this country and the regulator is blindly following a standard that is not pertinent.
It truly shows that there are some people within the regulator that have no concept of affordable safety and sensible application of international standards, simply because they themselves do not understand the reasons behind the safety case for the application of the standard in the first place.
It began with a half arsed attempt at harmonization when the AIP reference to being able to use a runway narrower than usually required, if the runway was a particular length and operator used half the crosswind component as the max allowable on said runways.
When this reference was removed, instantly a whole bunch of people suddenly found themselves in breach of the law. A whole bunch of foot stamping and pill spitting later CASA found themselves issuing instruments left right and center for operations that were previously par for the course.
However is did not only effect the smaller operators, other places such as YBSU were also affected.
The department in their infinite wisdom then told said operators that they would have to have a "Narrow Runway Operational Supplement" in order to continue operations. Numerous organizations went out and in some cases have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in order to comply with CASA's new edict, which for some people has taken and extraordinary amount of time.
The results?
Costs to the operators due to administrative burden and the initial disruption to the customers..... oh and the CASA costs for a dispo for something that is normal.
Cost to the operators in getting OEM approval for flight manual supplements.
Has there been any safety issue involving a runway excursion on a so called "Narrow Runway", (no evidence found).
About a dozen airport operators that are scratching their heads wondering how they going to fund widening there runways up to 50% to comply with a foreign standard.
Who do you think will be the recipient of the ultimate bill for this folly in harmonization????
Another question is to ask why we need this harmonization in the first place and do they really understand the impetus for the whole change? Lets go to ICAO and have a squizz shall we. 30 metre runways in oz for A320/737 ops are more than adequate given the fact, that we have the most benign meteorological environment, an average of 8 below par days annually and you tell me a Jet airline destination in this country that regularly has anything close to the the definition of a contaminated runway. I mean proper standing water, ice , slush etc. Yep that's right a big fat ZERO, maybe Darwin in a heavy wet but the rest of it...... nah.
ICAO requiring 45 metres is all to do with limiting the deviation from centreline either takeoff or landing, on runways that may be contaminated. All you need to do is add in slush and snow and it's a fun time, believe me. So that extra 7.5 metres per side would allow for an much larger (50%) deviation from centreline should these unknown to Australia conditions actually prevail here.
Guess what they dont exist here so why do we have to comply with a non existent boogy man that has its foundations in a risk register and a safety case sitting on the desk of someone in Montreal in winter which is so far removed from YBSU which gets 300 days of sun per annum.........
The cost to industry (airports and operators) is outrageous given that the conditions behind the ICAO standard simply do not exist in this country and the regulator is blindly following a standard that is not pertinent.
It truly shows that there are some people within the regulator that have no concept of affordable safety and sensible application of international standards, simply because they themselves do not understand the reasons behind the safety case for the application of the standard in the first place.
It truly shows that there are some people within the regulator that have no concept of affordable safety and sensible application of international standards, simply because they themselves do not understand the reasons behind the safety case for the application of the standard in the first place.
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This topic has history with McCormick dating back to 2011.
Aviation Business: CASA clarifies runway width standard for Australia's airports.
Also somebody recently posted a good story on PPRune D&G from the past regarding HS 121 Trident introduction to Australia which suffered because of a regulatory imposed bureaucrat embuggerence. This may have a bearing on the topic.
I've searched but can't find it.
Aviation Business: CASA clarifies runway width standard for Australia's airports.
Also somebody recently posted a good story on PPRune D&G from the past regarding HS 121 Trident introduction to Australia which suffered because of a regulatory imposed bureaucrat embuggerence. This may have a bearing on the topic.
I've searched but can't find it.
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This is all part of the CAsA policy of "SAFE SKIES ARE EMPTY SKIES".
Why would anyone think CAsA gives two hoots whether outback Australia has an air service or not. They are only required to consider safety.
One wonders why they only require 30 meters though. Obviously the wider the runway the safer it is, perhaps they should require runways to be as wide as they are long, just to be on the safe side!
Why would anyone think CAsA gives two hoots whether outback Australia has an air service or not. They are only required to consider safety.
One wonders why they only require 30 meters though. Obviously the wider the runway the safer it is, perhaps they should require runways to be as wide as they are long, just to be on the safe side!
High speed rail to these remote settlements appears more realistic by the day!
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And of course there is a Casa fee to pay for the issue of the said exemption
Obviously the wider the runway the safer it is, perhaps they should require runways to be as wide as they are long, just to be on the safe side!
Probably the cheapest exemption to allow narrow runway use was the King Air 350 at $340 valid for a year
Casa never announced the reg had changed and it was only by chance that it was discovered during a in house performance discussion.
Casa was asked to clarify. Suddenly it was found all were non compliant and Casa issued exemptions.
Casa never announced the reg had changed and it was only by chance that it was discovered during a in house performance discussion.
Casa was asked to clarify. Suddenly it was found all were non compliant and Casa issued exemptions.
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further evidence of CAsA's blatant ongoing ineptitude.
how are they ever going to function with a more complex rules set????
new zealand far's please and wind up the CAsA. a new start required.
how are they ever going to function with a more complex rules set????
new zealand far's please and wind up the CAsA. a new start required.