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Old 26th Feb 2014, 06:03
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What's next for virgin

If Qantas does make a number of pilots redundant I would like to hope virgin would give them first dibs at any jobs going at virgin. If Qantas does park up the 767 fleet as mooted and I reiterate I hope this isn't the case, would virgin look to add capacity or allow capacity to reduce and try and actually make a bloody dollar out of it.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 06:25
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Why would Virgin put on Qantas pilots over the ones they've already got in their hold file that already have been promised jobs?
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 06:25
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I would be hopeful that Virgin would conduct their recruitment on the basis of experience and suitability,in a transparent manner.

But tell me Bang Bounce Boeing how you would set a policy in light of how Q mainline, with active support of AIPA, have treated applicants from Eastern, Southern, Qlink, et al

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Old 26th Feb 2014, 06:45
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Bang Bounce Boeing... How many Ansett guys got recruited by QF when the collapse happened?.. I can tell you, not allot...only a small percentage of Ansett guys made it through the Qantas psych and skills testing..I wasn't one of them.. But QF knocking me back was the best thing that happened in my career!!!!
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 06:54
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Ditto Sand Dune

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Old 26th Feb 2014, 07:29
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Sure I understand what your saying but it wasn't QF pilots saying lets not employ the Ansett guys and girls, it would be such a refreshing change for Aussie pilots looking out for other Aussie pilots when shit hits the fan for once in generation.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 07:29
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So I guess it would be a shock should Virgin also announce job cuts? Sooner the CEO pissing contest ends the better for everyone
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 07:33
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re ex AN @ QF... didn't take too many pilots on but FFS WHY DID WE TAKE ON ALL THE MANAGEMENT OF A DEAD AIRLINE?!?!
JOYCE INCLUDED

yeah I know, caps, but I am yelling
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 08:51
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A large proportion of JQ are ex AN. The truly gifted ones are running the show
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 09:21
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Anyone who starts at Virgin will go straight to the bottom of the seniority list, just as the AN guys did at QF in 2002. Date of joining is a sacred cow in VA. Any new starters can expect 10-15 years to a command. It doesn't bode we'll for a palatable outcome if there are retrenchments. Hopefully, it will be sorted by war of VR offers.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 09:35
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Sounds like a great idea.....Lots of experience, DEC sounds good!!!

That would do the Australian aviation industry as a whole a great service..NOT!!

it would be such a refreshing change for Aussie pilots looking out for other Aussie pilots when shit hits the fan for once in generation.
Like that will happen....in that unmentionable year I saw grade three instructors get replaced by Airline pilots who had "resigned" their airline job.

bangbounceboeing, sorry just cant see that happening.

Perhaps what will happen is that airfares will climb to a realistic value and instead of my travel from BNE to MEL being cheaper than my travel to the airport might allow our Aussie Major airlines to at least break even.

Anyway....am really hoping that it is not as bad as the doomsayer news organisations are wishing it to be.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 09:39
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The next battle front will be for staff travel $$$$$.

Virgin could offer all QF employees staff travel rates on VA, now that would be funny.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 10:02
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Actually i think Virgins first priority is to start making money rather than losing which they are quite good at right now.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 10:30
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Virgin has NEVER made a single dollar of profit, its been a game of equity
transfers and sale to overseas interests. Qantas has been profitable until
an irish git appeared on the scene and tried to set up a clone of ryanair.
Where it all ends will probably be soon, as the said git is desperately trying
to push his agenda onto the government, he wants a crisis, couldn't get
one by grounding his airline, so now a financial crisis will have to do.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 10:33
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QF pilots want jobs at VA

They can if they want, here is the link to start the process:

Job details - Regional Flight Crew - ATR First Officers - Expression of Interest | Virgin Australia
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 19:49
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Chatting to a senior QF Captain the other day, both of us lamenting the ruin that has been rained on a once great airline. He commented that after today he may have to look for another job! At the time I thought he was being glib, but now I'm a little concerned.

Back in '94, or whenever, did the provision of a scope clause regarding seniority disappear? I mean can a fleet be liquidated without the requirement for redundancies strictly from the bottom of the entire pilot group?

I hope I'm wrong, but what may have seen to be unlikely (in the extreme) at the time, could result in a serious experience drain from a once proud airline. If it does come to pass, good one AIPA.

Not that Joyce, Clifford, or any of the board would have the capacity to truly see the folly in that!


Edit: Sorry for the thread-drift, just had another look at the title.

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Old 26th Feb 2014, 20:13
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Bang bounce Virgin should do this why? Believe someone has already posted this link.
Job details - Regional Flight Crew - ATR First Officers - Expression of Interest | Virgin Australia
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 20:15
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The seniority list is a real comfort when, through no fault of your own, you suddenly don't have a job - not!

Whether it be through redundancy or airline collapse, if you are in your late 40's or older, it is usually financially impossible to start at the bottom of the list at a new airline, unless you have done particularly well with your money over the years and/or have an excellent redundancy package (although, often the redundancy package isn't worth the paper its written on if the airline collapses).

So all the experience leaves the country as people just try to put food on the table for their families & pay the mortgage. Lives are thrown into turmoil & some families disintegrate.

Seniority is fine when you have stable, long term employment. Unfortunately, that seems to be something that has been lost forever these days when any company, no matter how large & successful, can go out of business almost overnight.

This is one of the few, if not the only, industries where movement to higher positions is almost guaranteed by a seniority list. Perhaps it is time to find another way, so as to allow people to move within the industry by merit, as circumstances dictate. Everyone else in the working world seems to cope without a seniority list.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 20:18
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Guess those Quals' don't apply to Cadets!


BTW, the Captain in the add, is a B737 Captain. At least he was last time I spoke to him.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 21:01
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No they do not but let's not get started in that.
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