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Jetstar NZ pilot needs a break! Give me a break...

Old 25th Feb 2014, 11:00
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If you guys try and enforce it, you will do your own part in making it just so much harder for JQ to stay competitive
So JQ can only stay competitive by picking and choosing the laws they want to operate under, regardless of the jurisdiction the contracts are based in? I hope they don't find Australia's 9% super laws 'impractical' compared to NZ 3%...
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 12:27
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Hey FatGuy,

Ansett NZ crews had a meal break all those yrs ago as the time in flt was insufficient.

As to those kissarses whinging about how much longer their duty will be, I'm guessing an extra 30 mins, fcuk, that'll kill anyone compared to working say a 12 hr day without the time to eat a decent meal without having to scoff it down.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 16:07
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rad alt

forgive me if you were upset by my comments. perhaps if you were a little more accurate with the location under your name...

anyway, youre entitled to your view and fair enough. i did meet the applicant once but it was a long time ago. not sure that soft is word i'd use to describe him.

is jqnz's position so tenuous that 30min breaks will kill it? afaik the link guys and airnz domestic get breaks. is that still the case?

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Old 25th Feb 2014, 18:10
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Yep after a certain amount of duty time first tho.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 20:33
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A pilot couldn't expect to walk into JQ NZ flight operations and say I know of a regulatory limit. However, due to commercial reasons I choose not to abide by the regulation.

So what makes JQ NZ think they can walk into court and say they are aware of NZ employment law however due commercial pressures don't want to abide by them.

Says a lot about the business model.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 21:52
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Says volumes about the calibre of the people running the show!
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 22:17
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This wasnt about rest breaks. It was about an employer who had all the 'right' clauses in a contract and then chose not comply with them because they said they couldnt afford it! No employee should put up woth this, Jetstar setup the NZ crewing company to undercut its other pilots with little understanding of NZ employment law. They only have themselves to blame as this was pointed out to them years ago and they chose to ignore it.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 22:29
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along with trying to employ pilots in nz forgetting about the 500hr rule and that pay for training nonsense thats just been sorted. add it to the pile.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 03:27
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All this hype of saying that giving a crew a 30 minute break to comply with IR law is going to push the company over the edge is a bit much. If they can't give a crew 30 mins clear of the tin can when they were going to have a 20 min turnaround anyway it's a bit poor - they have more than one aircraft and more than one crew - they could easily slip another crew onto the inbound a/c that is not due for a break yet, or a crew that has just completed a break, and then the inbound crew takes something else out after their 30 mins at the table. It's not difficult. The managers who talk this nonsense enjoy their extended lunchbreaks usually while formulating this type of policy.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 04:52
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Good work Richard.
I thought from our flight deck conversation many years ago you had given up on the IR stuff.
Thankfully I was wrong
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 05:09
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Every Richard I know is a dick :P
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 05:21
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I think RG's idea was not to get mad but to get even!
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 15:36
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There's no time for a break; nor is there room for the softies that want them.
The softies that want them......spare me. I'm pretty sure that if conditions warranted it the " softies" could dig deep and work straight through....ie if we were at war.....but we're not. It is the law of the land and if JQ can't comply then their position is tenuous to say the least. I see today they are offering up $39 fares to Wellington Auckland and Christchurch. Do they need to be $41 fares?
They wouldn't go to Brunei and expect to serve booze so why come to NZ and not comply? Maybe Air NZ could start a "Level Playing Field " campaign whinging about how they have to let their pilots wander into the terminal once a day but the competition doesn't?
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Old 27th Feb 2014, 04:21
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Very pyrrhic victory, guys. Very pyrrhic. It might be consistent with NZ labour laws, but it is going to cost you in the long run. Efficiency is everything.

And before you start throwing stones at me I've done thousand of hours in that sort of operation, some of them in airplanes which took a lot more attention than the ones you are flying.
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Old 27th Feb 2014, 04:30
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it only becomes pyrrhic if a cost greater than the victory ever eventuates. we shall see i guess
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Old 27th Feb 2014, 04:38
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And it is because of 'pilots' who accept these breaches of the law that the whole industry is disappearing down the sinkhole. These 'rules' are a cost to doing business in NZ. The judgement stated, these are the minimum standards to which you must comply, the fact that you run a low cost operation gives you no more right to ignore these minimum standards than a sweat shop owner!

I have to agree, they could have avoided all of these sorts of issues by putting our colleagues in NZ on the Australian EBA as originally planned, funnily enough with the current exchange rate that would have been cheaper!

Just like Qantas, the way this company is run at times borders on negligence, and for that the staff should not need apologise or accept illegal practices no matter how minor!!
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 18:44
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Hey rad alt.....are you sure you're not a management suck up?
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 21:11
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Hey rad alt.....are you sure you're not a management suck up?

Well he thinks NZ IR laws are archaic and can be ignored, perhaps he can provide a list of other laws which are OK to break?
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