TIGER AIR PILOT strike notice
'Protected' industrial action means that you are 'protected' from being sued for the damage caused to the company for the action you are taking. This is one of the differences between PIA that is being discussed now and what happened in 1989.
Some of the F/O's and not a few CNs did very well from 'the year that dare not speak its name', Ned. Some internationals were gagging for pilots and many of us are still flying; wide bodies at that, and based in Australia.
From experience, in these events you see the worst in some people and the best in others. Airlines come and go (there is not one Australian domestic still in existence since 'that year'), but pilots have long careers and even longer memories, especially of those who let down their mates.
From experience, in these events you see the worst in some people and the best in others. Airlines come and go (there is not one Australian domestic still in existence since 'that year'), but pilots have long careers and even longer memories, especially of those who let down their mates.
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Is anyone able to indicate the primary sticking points with Tiger management are? Obviously there will be more than one, however is this a pay issue or a rostering issue...?
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In your financial review the union just asked for urgent hearing as management sent email to pilots asking who will be working normal and who is working restricted.
Just a suggestion you may want to get a happy to work as normal email in you don't want to be on the other list. Virgin AUS loosing $2 million per week something will give ???
Just a suggestion you may want to get a happy to work as normal email in you don't want to be on the other list. Virgin AUS loosing $2 million per week something will give ???
Virgin AUS loosing $2 million per week something will give ???
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The lack of spine, and ignorance regarding PIA in this thread is mind numbing. On a forum where the vast majority of post are chest beating and complaining about management and conditions, it's surprising to see how many people backflip when it comes to taking meaningful, and perfectly legal, action.
@Willie, I believe the pay issue has been agreed upon, one of the main sticking points is around a clause to guarantee no changes to a roster after its published, a clause many of us already have in our EBA.
@4 Holer, why suggest people respond to what amounts to (possibly unlawful) threats? The union is advising against any response, and legislation protects employees from punitive action as long as the action is by the book.
PIA can be an effective tool, as long as its done wisely and union members stick together. I'm sure those not in the union or those that choose not to participate will not give back the benefits that are gained by the struggle of those willing to stand up and be counted.
@Willie, I believe the pay issue has been agreed upon, one of the main sticking points is around a clause to guarantee no changes to a roster after its published, a clause many of us already have in our EBA.
@4 Holer, why suggest people respond to what amounts to (possibly unlawful) threats? The union is advising against any response, and legislation protects employees from punitive action as long as the action is by the book.
PIA can be an effective tool, as long as its done wisely and union members stick together. I'm sure those not in the union or those that choose not to participate will not give back the benefits that are gained by the struggle of those willing to stand up and be counted.
Is anyone able to indicate the primary sticking points with Tiger management are? Obviously there will be more than one, however is this a pay issue or a rostering issue...?
http://www.afap.org.au/files/nrteUpl...3A373A57PM.pdf
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I've been with VB/VA since start up and to be frank I'm sick to death about Tiger and the issues! I suggested we should have left them to sink in the mud, similar to Ansett but at least they were worth saving unlike you idiots. Hell you can't even do a circuit without causing issues!
You demand more money? Go for it, funny when you were about to lose your jobs how different your tones were and only hope JB and board are reading this crap.
We could have/should have used the old VB brand, it was well presented and adaptable compared to these fools from Asia.
Yep, drop anchor and let them drift JP, you have a proven product under the name of VB or PB - use it and the guys who started it!
You demand more money? Go for it, funny when you were about to lose your jobs how different your tones were and only hope JB and board are reading this crap.
We could have/should have used the old VB brand, it was well presented and adaptable compared to these fools from Asia.
Yep, drop anchor and let them drift JP, you have a proven product under the name of VB or PB - use it and the guys who started it!
Looks like a pause in proceedings with PIA being suspended. Here's a bit of a timeline from AFAP updates from past few days....
05 February 2014
EBA UPDATE #21
05 February 2014
EBA UPDATE #21
Notice to Withdraw Memorandum titled
“Contingency Planning for Proposed Work Bans”
“Contingency Planning for Proposed Work Bans”
We are aware that late today the Company sent a memorandum to all pilots entitled “Contingency Planning for Proposed Work Bans”.
In this memorandum the Company has requested pilots indicate their intention to undertake protected industrial action by 2:00pm tomorrow, Thursday 6 February 2014. The company advises that should a pilot indicate that they will participate in the protected industrial action, or they do not provide a response, the Company will take the relevant pilots off flying duties.
Tonight, we have written to Rob Sharp advising that we consider that this constitutes unlawful employer response action and a breach of Part 3-1 of the Fair Work Act 2009 (Cth). Further we have advised that unless the Company withdraws the memorandum before 10am (EDT) tomorrow, 6 February 2014, we intend to take legal action against the Company. For a copy of the letter from AFAP Executive Director, Simon Lutton to Tigerair CEO Rob Sharp – click here.
Do not respond to the Company’s Memorandum
As per our previous update, we advise members to not respond to the Company’s request to indicate whether you intend to participate in industrial action.
06 February 2014
EBA UPDATE #22
EBA UPDATE #22
AFAP SEEKS ORDERS AGAINST THE COMPANY FOR UNLAWFUL RESPONSE ACTION
Further to our update yesterday afternoon (attaching the letter AFAP sent to CEO, Rob Sharp) the company has NOT withdrawn the memorandum to pilots demanding that you indicate your intention to participate in protected industrial action.
As a result the AFAP has lodged a section 418 application in the Fair Work Commission to have the compony withdraw its threat to remove pilots who don’t respond from their flying, on the basis that this is unlawful employer response action.
We have asked that this matter be listed to be heard before 2pm today.
In the meantime our advice to pilots is not to respond to the Company’s memorandum.
Members should hold strong, not respond to the company regarding their intentions, and if approached by the company take notes of everything said and by who and report it to the AFAP.
We will provide further advice following the outcome of the Fair Work Commission hearing.
06 February 2014
EBA UPDATE #23
EBA UPDATE #23
COMPANY WITHDRAWS THREAT TO REMOVE PILOTS FROM FLYING
An urgent hearing called by the AFAP today in the Fair Work Commission was held at 1.30pm today before Commissioner Johns. During the proceedings the AFAP and Tiger held discussions in which the company agreed the following:
• Tiger provide an undertaking to Commissioner Johns that it had not altered any pilot’s roster based on information it had, or had not, received pursuant to the letter sent to pilots yesterday, 5 February 2014; and
• Tiger would send a letter to all pilots tonight stating that the second last paragraph of yesterday’s letter was withdrawn (i.e. that pilots would be taken off flying duties if they failed to inform Tiger that they were not taking industrial action); and
• Further, that no alteration to a pilots roster would be made, regardless of whether or not they informed the company of their intention to take or not take industrial action.
• Tiger will also include a statement that it reserves its rights to take employer response action against any employee who actually does take industrial action, in accordance with legislation.
Tiger have confirmed with us that it will send the letter to pilots referred to in the undertaking in the next few hours. Upon Tiger giving the above undertakings, the Commission application by the AFAP has now been withdrawn.
The result is that your rostered duties will remain the same no matter what you have told or not told Tiger.
Accordingly, we advise pilots to not respond to any request by Tiger to indicate their availability. Pilots are under no obligation to do so.
COMPANY MAY STILL TAKE ACTION
As outlined above, the company have reserved its rights to take employer response action if pilots engage in protected industrial action. The only action the company can take by way of employer response action is to lockout employees.
The AFAP believe this would be an extreme response by the company. Instead we would hope they would approach us with a solution to our outstanding claims.
Alternatively, as previously advised the Company can elect to dock pilots pay if they engage in bans, provided they comply with the notice requirements under the Fair Work Act.
AFAP CONTINUING DISCUSSIONS
The AFAP negotiating team is continuing to try to reach agreement with the Company and to reach a solution. We will attempt to arrange and continue discussions with the company tonight in a further effort to seek resolution.
BANS TO GO AHEAD
At this point bans are to commence as previously advised from 0300 tomorrow. We will advise immediately if the company agrees to our position.
06 February 2014
EBA UPDATE #24
EBA UPDATE #24
Meeting with the CEO on Monday
Protected Industrial Action to be Suspended
Protected Industrial Action to be Suspended
As foreshadowed in the previous update tonight we continued discussions with the company in a final attempt to avert industrial action and find a way to reach agreement.
We are happy to advise that agreement on a final meeting involving the Tigerair CEO, Robert Sharp and your reps will occur on Monday 10 February 2014.
As an act of good faith we offered to suspend the protected industrial action shortly after its commencement and until we have had the meeting on Monday
UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY THE AFAP DIRECTLY YOU ARE ADVISED TO NOT TAKE ANY OF THE WORK BANS UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
We remain hopeful of making progress with the company on Monday and reaching agreement. We will advise you of the progress after Monday’s meeting.
AGAIN – unless you have been personally contacted by the AFAP please do not proceed with any bans until further notice. Attend and perform work as normal.
If you require any guidance or support in relation to this industrial action, or the enterprise agreement more broadly, please contact either your pilot reps, or AFAP industrial officers Xxxxx Xxxxxxxx ([email protected]), Xxxxxx Xxxx ([email protected]) and Xxx Xxxxxxx ([email protected]).
Captains Xxxxx Xxxxxxx, Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxx, Xxxx Xxxxxx and FO Xxxx Xxxxxxx
AFAP Tiger Negotiating Committee
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I see Tiger said to the court they withdraw the last paragraph of the email saying they "will remove pilot from roster" who take action.
The email and intention is out there. Like I said before I would take the pay check fly the airplane and go home. They will simply fly the airline with half the guys that go to work and Virgin will pickup the slack.The rest of the crew will be outside the airport in the airplane spotters area scratching their heads as usual.
Explain 100% of nothing to the wife and kids, take 80% of something, just my two cents anyway.
The email and intention is out there. Like I said before I would take the pay check fly the airplane and go home. They will simply fly the airline with half the guys that go to work and Virgin will pickup the slack.The rest of the crew will be outside the airport in the airplane spotters area scratching their heads as usual.
Explain 100% of nothing to the wife and kids, take 80% of something, just my two cents anyway.
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Well done to the Tiger Pilots for having the conviction to stand up for themselves.
Do not fall for all the doomsday scenarios the 89'ers bang on about.
I have a huge amount of respect for the actions taken by the pilots in 1989, but lets be honest, it was a gamble, a very risky move, if it had worked our industry would be very different today, I wish it had worked.
To me, as a pilot that was not there in 1989, a vast majority of the remaining 89 pilots appear to have had their nuts removed.
This is not 1989 and it is "Protected" Industrial Action, good hunting.
Do not fall for all the doomsday scenarios the 89'ers bang on about.
I have a huge amount of respect for the actions taken by the pilots in 1989, but lets be honest, it was a gamble, a very risky move, if it had worked our industry would be very different today, I wish it had worked.
To me, as a pilot that was not there in 1989, a vast majority of the remaining 89 pilots appear to have had their nuts removed.
This is not 1989 and it is "Protected" Industrial Action, good hunting.
