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The way we were - Ansett, TAA, Qantas

Old 12th Jan 2014, 04:37
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CZQ was not one of Ansetts better machines she was a leased machine and a bit of an orphan as she had the stairs removed from underneath. Caused VA a bit of a problem when the cavity filled up with water. From memory she had come from Mexico. The registration now sits on a Cessna parked at Merimbula.One of Ansetts better classics was CZT as it was the last 737 delivered straight from the factory sometime in the mid 90's. Sitting in a brand new aeroplane was a bit of novelty in Ansett in those days.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 11:41
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Fin art

Ah yes, now I remember!
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 11:59
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Lots of jolly nice TAA memorabilia here....

https://www.pinterest.com/wolseyp/ta...irlines-stuff/
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 16:23
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 16:25
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 16:27
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The 4 pictures show the true size of the reservations board
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 17:07
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That is simply incredible. Am I to assume that you had to ring these people from around Australia to make a reservation?
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 17:35
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No Sops, the vast majority of flights were on the board (or controlled by Melbourne Reservations), and we could tell passengers/travel agents immediately if we could confirm those flight requests. We only had to ring elsewhere when we didn't control those flights. Some of the smaller country services (eg the Qld twin Otters services) were controlled by the country ports. We would ring Brisbane Res who would contact the port controlling the flight we wanted. Brisbane would then phone us to advise if confirmed or not. I say phone but telex was also used. For any other flights eg Connair etc we would ring the nearest TAA office who would contact Connair and again let us know. Seems strange now but back in those days it was quite normal and that is how I believe the good working relationship between TAA res and Ansett res really came into use. As a new boy and one who was fascinated by the amount of third level operators in Australia, I made a point of getting a list of them from (what was then) the DCA. I then wrote to everyone of them to get their latest timetable and be put on their mailing list. I then made up a folder of all those flights and had it with me at work. As time went on, I got more and more calls from both Travel Agents and Ansett asking me who flew from AAA to BBB and who to contact for details. I even registered a Company name of Austavia and spent many, many hours typing out all of the details into one big book and wanted to then add Ansett and subsidiary carriers together with TAA and East West, BPA etc so that I could produce a monthly guide similar to the ABC & OAG guides for International flights. I got details from every single airline except for TAA and Ansett who both told me I couldn't use their information as I'd be breaking copywright laws. To say I was amazed would be an understatement, as Airlines of NSW, Airlines of SA, MMa, East West etc had all freely given me their info. I aske no money from any of the Airlines but I'd hoped to be able to sell my monthly guide to Travel Agents, Business Houses etc. After months and months of typing, collating and hard work, I had to give it all away as without the big 2, the Agents weren't interested. Just as well really as computers were just starting to come in and Agents would then have all the info on the end of a phone call.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 18:17
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Great info, thanks mate!
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 18:27
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The 4 pictures show the true size of the reservations board
Absolutely amazing, never seen anything like them in my Life, thanks for sharing.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 19:01
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Thanks, I'm glad some of you appreciate what went on in 'the good old days.'
Strange but most people look to the aircraft side and see the enormous advances made. I'm not a technical person, just going by the look of them. Few people though realise the huge steps taken on the ground to keep up with the progress needed for the industry. Although I started off in Reservations, the vast majority of my time was spend at airports around the world. I was constantly aware of the progress made from the aircraft/airport side of things but it wasn't till much later that I again became involved in using the Reservations sytem that I realised that the computers too had kept up with everything. Apart from providing loadsheets and general load control details, these same computers took over the basic message switching system (SITA) used by Res Offices. Ticketing was also being worked out and printed by these same computers. Virtually every stage of a Reservations could now be requested, confirmed and printed out on the one computer system. An amazing career and now in my retirement I can fondly look back at how it used to be. Paul
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 19:19
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 21:40
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Thanks, I'm glad some of you appreciate what went on in 'the good old days.'
As I said I really appreciated your post and those incredible photos.

I am the same age as you, if your profile is correct, and I also spent my whole working life in the Industry, and also working all over the World.

I saw massive changes in the Engineering/Maintenance side of things, but had no knowledge of what went on in Reservations etc, sorry to repeat myself, but just such incredible photos, and I mean incredible in a good way.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 22:53
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Great insight into what went on behind the scenes.

I have now figured why there was a transition from the manual booking system to a computer based one.

No one could get around this

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For falls of less than two metres:

Develop and document safe work procedures (SWPs) to outline the way in which the hazard will be managed; and
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 23:00
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When I worked in TAA Res in the late 70's the good relationship with Ansett still existed. Res Clerks from both airlines would frequently phone the other carrier when a passenger wanted a flight that was full, or a more conveniently timed flight. It was when providing service was the name of the game.

If memory serves, Macs was the pub situated between the TAA Head Office at 50 Franklin St, and the Ansett Head Office on the corner of Franklin & Swanston. A popular watering hole for staff of both airlines.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 23:30
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The way we were indeed................

Your post 601 reminds me of more that has changed, the overboard IMHO safety departments.

As I have said I spent my whole working life around aircraft, NEVER once had to use those cones or a high vis jacket (thankfully).

And computers, I truly love my computer, they were obviously a great advancement in that reservations environment, but what about when they stop working, several times I have seen checkins at airports when the computers are down and because the available checkin staff ONLY know computers they are not sure how to do their job like in the good olde days.

Same too with aircraft, I have been with aircraft in some quite remote places where the aircraft is 100% serviceable mechanically but we were stuck there because some damn on board computer wasnt happy.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 23:35
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It was when providing service was the name of the game.
When AN881 Sydney for Osaka had to return to SYD and then sustained substantial damage in a landing accident (Oct 1994) there was plenty of talk throughout the offices that certain Senior QANTAS management abused the crap out of some 'new' Senior QANTAS management who did not want to offer any assistance. The 'new' were put in their place and told in no uncertain ways that the airline industry does not work that way.

Except for code sharing I really wonder how much co-operation goes on these days in the cut throat world of aviation.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 23:53
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Except for code sharing I really wonder how much co-operation goes on these days in the cut throat world of aviation.
It would be interesting to know.

In the good ole days at Sunstate when the pride of their fleet was the Irish Concorde (Shorts 360/330), so late 80s to early 90s, I was working for the opposition on the Mohawks. The 330 & Mohawk both ran PT6-45s. Not only did we loan (I'm sure there would have been conditions) Sunstate a PT6 to go into a Shed but our engineers even assisted the build up.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 00:41
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Good smear attempt but not up to scrutiny
Qantas/Australian Airlines whatever. The guy went for a Qantas Mainline interview. He flew back in a Boeing flown by a Qantas captain - you know, the airline where the pilots where huge wings on their shirts.
The event did happen. It was not a smear it was the truth and if you cannot handle the truth than that is your bloody problem - not mine
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