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The way we were - Ansett, TAA, Qantas

Old 9th Mar 2021, 20:08
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The VLF Omega would drop out in heavy rain. The Department of Changing Names were most concerned and insisted on dual Omega for any Pacific flights. A couple of the aeroplanes were subsequently fitted out with two units. Off we went into the blue and when in heavy rain they both failed.

I was told by a man in a white coat it was something to do with the 'H' type field antenna. All you can do is smile in agreement and pretend you understand.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 05:44
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"E" field (named after Ed Field?) and "H" field antennae. All the B737-200's were wired for dual Omegas but normally only carried one, unless you were doing Air Vauatu or Polynesian flights. Supposedly you had one of each antennae with dual Omegas. I thought it was icing, rather than rain, that buggered the signal, George.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 06:57
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You could be right Dora-9, but for some reason I thought it was heavy rain. I remember being with PK on the way to VLI and we lost the Omega. I was swearing like a trooper trying to get the bloody things to work again, being in the middle of nowhere. It was not until weeks later I learnt PK was very religious. I felt very bad about that, but to his credit he didn't hold it against me.
At the time the local aviation press hailed the 737-200AV as 'the first computerised aircraft in Australia'. Laughable now when you think of that mickey mouse PDCS and the limitations of the Omega.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 21:28
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Laughable now when you think of that mickey mouse PDCS and the limitations of the Omega.
But how about that wonderful FD110 ADI that was so big that you could sit inside it?

Not that I'd ever swear (ahem), but I also discovered that just plain shouting/begging/bursting into tears at the Omegas didn't work either! Nandi - Hilo (all 7:30 of it), with the Omegas in DR mode for 4 hours...
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 07:20
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Not that I'd ever swear (ahem), but I also discovered that just plain shouting/begging/bursting into tears at the Omegas didn't work either! Nandi - Hilo (all 7:30 of it), with the Omegas in DR mode for 4 hours...
You obviously got there?
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 09:11
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Lots of radio stations on the Hawaiian Islands! ADF’s do come in handy on occasions!
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 09:29
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Lots of radio stations on the Hawaiian Islands! ADF’s do come in handy on occasions!
Of course, once within range the Omegas woke up again.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 20:04
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Originally Posted by Dora-9 View Post
"E" field (named after Ed Field?) and "H" field antennae. All the B737-200's were wired for dual Omegas but normally only carried one, unless you were doing Air Vauatu or Polynesian flights. Supposedly you had one of each antennae with dual Omegas. I thought it was icing, rather than rain, that buggered the signal, George.
We're going back in time now. The 737-200 may have used the ADF Sense Antenna which was moulded into the aft wing to fuselage fairing as the VLF/Omega antenna. On the 727-200 it definitely used the ADF Sense Antenna which was a fairing aft of the MLG bay. Oil, dirt and crap from that bay caused no end of problems on the B727.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 01:40
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ADF’s do come in handy on occasions!
Indeed! Once spent about two hours in the middle of the night listening to some great 50's and 60's Rock 'n Roll whilst ferrying a Chieftain over part of the GAFA.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 18:48
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The 737-200 may have used the ADF Sense Antenna
Thank you. I've been desperately trying to remember just where the antennae were located - you comment rang a bell.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 10:05
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The Golden Era

Reading this thread brings back so many fond memories.
Can still remember my first ride in an airliner in 1958. Ansett-Ana Viscount from Sydney to the Gold Coast. A very formal affair where we all got dressed up to travel. The smell of kerosene as you boarded. The air hostesses in their smart navy blue airforce type uniforms.walking down the aisle with a basket of barley sugar. The scream of the 4 Rolls Royce Darts as you taxied out and tookoff. Then the hot roast meal served in the sky blue melamine dishes. Visiting the flight deck and exploring the aircraft.Then arriving at Coolangatta and being taken by the Ansett-Pioneer bus to the new Chevron Paradise Hotel at Surfers Paradise. From then on we used to travel there for most of our school holidays with both Ansett and TAA. These experiences are what got me hooked on becoming a pilot at a very early age.
Then the next experience was travelling First Class on a BOAC Comet 4 from Sydney to Auckland in 1964. The roar and howl of the 4 Rolls Royce Avons and the acceration and climb out was quite dramatic compared to the Viscount. Then being served several courses by a steward and hostess, fine china, table cloths, smoked salmon, oysters, roast lamb calved in front of you followed by desert and cheese platter. Was presented with a BOAC Junior Jetclub Logbook and wings. Visited the flight deck and it was quite noisy but upon venturing down the back of the aircraft the roar of the Avons was quite deafening.
We returned First Class in a Qantas Electra MK11 VH-ECC commanded by Captain Ashley Gay who was very hospitable when I visited the flight deck.. Breakfast menu in English and French.. The Electra was relatively quiet at the rear, where we were seated, but very noisy up near the props. Encountered some turbulence while i was waiting for a chocolate milk shake to be prepared the the poor young hostie in aqua blue uniform and hat got covered in chocolate quick powder much to the amusementnt of the male stewards. But those were the glory days when travel was expensive but you did it in style either First or Economy.
Would love to know if Captain Ashley Gay flew the QF Flying Boats before he went on to the Electra MK11.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 12:50
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Selection of Aircraft Type

One has to give TAA, Ansett and Qantas credit for selection of aircraft purchased from the late 1950's onwards.
Although the Viscount ushered in the gas turbine/jet age it provided the travelling public with a taste of non-piston turbine and pressurised operations despite its design limitations and expensive maintenance costs.
In the mid 50's TAA wanted to introduce the Sud Aviation twin jet Caravelle but that was squashed by Reg Ansett. Also the airlines were under pressure to buy British ie Comet, Trident and Bac1-11. However they held back and waited for the L188 Electra, B707-200 series, B727-100/200 series and DC9-30 and finally the B747-200 series. My research indicates that there were initially tax penalties for purchasing American against British built aircraft but the three airlines stood strong.
It is interesting how Qantas must have watched poor old Panam introduce the first series of B747 aircraft which suffered major problems with the first series of engines, surging etc. until Boeing and Pratt solved the problem. Yeah the two airline policy between Ansett and TAA existed but there must have been discussions between the two airlines to agree on the types.
It appears as if all three operators waited for prototype aircraft to be tested and improved before ordering the types. By the way I am well aware of the initial problems with the L188 Electra, whirl mode and the LEAP program which cost Lockheed a small fortune.
Would be interested in your opinions on this
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 13:02
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Qantas Electra MK11 VH-ECC
Nice story. I remember those days when flight deck visits were almost routine for me every time I flew as a passenger in the 70's. BTW, it appears VH-ECC is still flying today in Canada registered as C-GHZI. Its last flight according to FR24 was only yesterday. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-ghzi Quite an amazing achievement considering the early retirement of airframes for more recent types lately.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 13:06
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The F27

Re my previous reply I forgot to mention the F27. My research indicates the TAA's engineering manager and team had a major input into the design of the F27 which was to replace the ageing DC3 fleet but capable of operating in and out of short airstrips. East West Airlines in Tamworth and their engineering team also ironed out a few problems with the type.
Still remember travelling on East West Airline first F27 which had wooden tray tables. From all accounts those who went from the Viscount to the F27 loved them.
Also my understanding is that a number of the Ansett flying boat crew were dual endorsed on the F27 which today would be unheard of.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 13:30
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VH DSJ thankyou for your feedback. I knew that VH-ECC had been operating as a fire fighting tanker but sad to hear that the old bird has been retired.
For an aircraft of that vintage to be operating for so long pays credit to Lockheed. The largest flight decks I have ever been in are the L188 Electra and the L1011 Tristar.
Lockheed do make them sturdy and durable.
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 14:12
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The Computer Age

During the early 1970's TAA, Qantas and Ansett introduced computers for use by Traffic Staff at the airports, Reservations, ticketing etc.
If my memory serves me correctly TAA called theirs TAARSAN, Ansett called theirs Ansamatic and Qantas called theirs Qantam.
Anyway having been trained in my late teens in computer programming with a media organisation by the time I joined TAA I was well aquainted with the understanding of them and their shortfalls. I also had been trained to touch type and was well aquainted with the Siemens Teleprinter and ticketape. Reading ticketape was like reading morse code which I was learning at the time for my pilot qualifications.
These new devices were initially despised by the old school TAA old timers who took a while to get used to them.
Anyway one day I popped into Load Control and this wonderfully eccentric Load Controller by the name of Max Bourke was cursing the dammed thing. Ex military WW11 and quite happy with the old pen and paper system. This was years before computerised load control.
Anyway I had gotten wind of the facrt that a couple of michevious programmers in head office in Melbourne had entered some error responses into the system which were for these days politically incorrect.
To try and cheer old max up I suggested he type in F***off and much to his amusement the error respose was Routing Not Necessay. Then I suggest he type in RAPE and the error respose was iLLEGAL ENTRY. Well that was it. He sat their laughing his head off. From what i heard he spent the rest of the shift, between churning out manual load sheets, typing in what 'i had suggested with great amusement. Just like a kid with a new toy!!
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Old 5th Apr 2021, 19:58
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