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Old 16th Jan 2015, 19:43
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Grudging respect.

Dunno about those numbers Frank, had a quiet chuckle when I saw them, "enthusiastically elasticized" and "fuzzy" were not my first thoughts.

But, pause for a second, perhaps the numbers are 'enthusiastic' because it's the first time, in many years anyone has had to contemplate BK being an operational aerodrome. The mere mention of growth has been taboo for a long while. I believe we may have to upgrade to using Minuscule rather than the diminutive. The unspeakable Albo not only sat on his signing hand when matters aeronautical were on the table, but hid the pen. Now the Minuscule has signed three MP this past week. Don't know if a Choc frog would be considered a bribe?, perhaps if he disclosed it all would be well; but the signing off of three MPs, for whatever reason is a good thing. Thank you....

The question now of course is why, why now?

There are some intriguing theories of course; matters of a financial nature leading the charge. Now if the plot to decimate an industry and 'develop' the aerodromes has failed, someone is going to take a financial bath, a long cold one. The notion of strata title may just warm the water up and save the Commonwealth purse. But someone is going to loose.

Then there are matters referred to ICAC, from which the Minuscule must distance his government. The idea of the murky world of influence and big bucks, under the spotlight may have been persuasive. The Minuscule will not want to be associated with that little dance party, if the music ever starts.

Then of course there are the Archerfield defence corps to contend with. Some experts are predicting a win. The 'legal' arguments are complex and way beyond my grasp, but it seems there is yet another embarrassing 'translation' of law to suit a purpose about to implode. That challenge is still in abeyance, but a betting man could do worse than '10 bob the win' – Archerfield, a win which would seriously influence the betting across the board.

Another subtle, but persuasive force emanates from the Senate. It's not too a long a stretch to believe that the estimates crew are all over the game and intend to return the goal posts to their rightful place. If you extracted from Hansard the questions and answers related to 'airports' and the development of same; you end up with a thick volume and a very, very clear picture of how the good Senators see things. Add in the written questions and it would be truly difficult to deny that the good Senators have earned their keep.

My favourite notion is that our trusty Minuscule has seen the light; and in an epiphany has realised that Albo's CASA is totally beyond salvation, that Albo's ATSB has become an international joke, that Albo's ASA is being milked by very skilled hands; and, that his own department has become the playground of choice for an unsavoury gang of facilitators, clinging to the Albo mantra.

But, any form of progress is welcome and should be encouraged. Those enthusiastic numbers were probably grabbed from fresh air, by a minion with NFI that any forward progress was scheduled, for they were never calculated. Has the Minuscule caught them all with their pants down? – I would love to think so...We'll have to call him Minister then by Golly, now wouldn't that be a fine thing......

Toot – toot....

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Old 18th Jan 2015, 01:19
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Will the real tendentious bloggers please stand up.

or: Willyleaks email 1313.
Subject: STFU.
Date:13/13/14
From: Grown up search boss.
To: TB #1.

Shut down that Blog and STFU you embarrassing, moronic specimen.

L&K Lord A.

Subject: STFU.
Date:13/13/14
From: TB#1.
To: Lord A.

Yes Sir: Click – Comments closed.
- - - - - - - - - -- - - -.........
Dear Mr Truss.

Please Sir, I can't laugh any more; please don't make me, my sides ache. One of your minions has been running private blog through a government web site, open to public comment. See – HERE -. It must be banned as there is simply too much hilarity being generated, people are dizzy from spin and sick from laughing. It all began as a smart idea to show the riff-raff, IOS and the MaM how to be a tendentious blogger and slap down any outrageous comment or theory which did not fit the beyond all reason methodology. Indeed, all was well until some qualified, expert comments started to pop up, following a major event. Had TB#1 been qualified, in any way to respond to expert questioning then, things may have been different; but, as it stands, your boy has had his pants pulled down and his bottom royally and publicly slapped by people who have a rough idea of what they speak. Delay, spin and deception don't cut much mustard with qualified experts and TB spent a lot of time running back to the grown ups for advice before eventually, part answering the question. You know the style as well as we do; hell you've seen it done many times before in estimates, inquiry and the like.

Perhaps the final ignominy was being forced to close down the comments section when the game got too rough. It's not easy being a tendentious blogger, one needs to have a vague idea of what one is discussing, be able to field the questions in real time, head off conspiracy theories forming in the information vacuum and defending your rear against the slings and arrows which may be attracted thereto (or is it netherto?)

Now this fellah – HERE – is a tendentious blogger and he is bloody good at it. The opinion article is properly presented, balanced and reasoned. Perhaps your boy TB#1 could learn to do it properly if he studied; for he has NFI about water searches or 'Black box' recovery from watery graves, in fact, many of us doubt he can even swim (aquphobic, some say). There is even a vicious, unsubstantiated rumour that he has trouble tying his boot laces; but we'll take that question on notice.

We understand you may be finding it difficult to fire him; so failing that, please, for the sake of my aching, ancient sides shut him down; )or up(as pleases best. I don't care just so long as it stops soon.

VB Regards the IOS chapter for Disavowing Absolute Flaming Tendentions. (DAFT).

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Old 19th Jan 2015, 21:55
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Angel QONs for the Miniscule

Love your work "K"...

Flicking through the news spiels from MSM, the TBA etc. and I came across this MMSM article by AK who sometimes fills in for Steve...:
Airline Rex ‘can’t explain’ its massive donations to political parties

LISTED airline Rex has been unable to explain why it made unprecedented, massive donations to political parties two years ago, at the same time as an investigation into the crash of one of its aircraft was being conducted.


Last month, Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss called for the reopening of an investigation into the ditching of a Pel-Air plane carrying six passengers into the ocean near Norfolk Island in 2009, after systemic “errors” were found in the initial report. Pel-Air is a fully owned subsidiary of Regional Express, or Rex.

The investigation into the crash, which involved one serious injury, took the Australian Transport Safety Board almost three years to complete but did not mention 57 breaches or “serious deficiencies” at Pel Air found by regulator the Civil Aviation and Safety Authority.

Until 2012, the only political donation Rex had made was $3486 to the ALP in the year to June 2004. Then between July and November 2012, the company donated $250,000 of shareholder funds to the federal ALP, $95,700 to federal Nationals and $40,000 to the Liberal Party, marking it as one of the biggest political donors in the nation.

Rex spokeswoman Alicia Chapple refused to comment yesterday when asked why the airline had made the donations, whether they were related to the Pel Air investigation, or whether Rex welcomed the reopening of that investigation.

The donations have raised additional question marks because Rex has repeatedly described the airline industry as being in crisis, stating it was “beyond crisis”, and highlighting the “graveyard” of collapsed rivals in its last annual report.

It was unclear why it had donated $250,000 to the federal ALP when shortly afterwards, ahead of the 2013 federal election, the group warned the aviation industry would struggle if the ALP were re-elected.
Perhaps the Miniscule could help out with some of AK's QONs...

I'll be back...

Addendum: Planetalking article - Pel-Air, party donations, and air safety. An inexplicable coincidence?:
Conditional kudos to The Australian today for bringing something that might seem inexplicably coincidental in terms of political donations and hitherto secret lapses in the public administration of air safety in this country into the national mainstream media.

The story, by Anthony Klan, is invisible actually quite hard to find on the newspaper’s site, but has been shared on Google+ so here is the gist.
LISTED airline Rex has been unable to explain why it made unprecedented, massive donations to political parties two years ago, at the same time as an investigation into the crash of one of its aircraft was being conducted.
Last month, Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss called for the reopening of an investigation into the ditching of a Pel-Air plane carrying six passengers into the ocean near Norfolk Island in 2009, after systemic “errors” were found in the initial report. Pel-Air is a fully owned subsidiary of Regional Express, or Rex.
The investigation into the crash, which involved one serious injury, took the Australian Transport Safety Board almost three years to complete but did not mention 57 breaches or “serious deficiencies” at Pel Air found by regulator the Civil Aviation and Safety Authority.
Until 2012, the only political donation Rex had made was $3486 to the ALP in the year to June 2004. Then between July and November 2012, the company donated $250,000 of shareholder funds to the federal ALP, $95,700 to federal Nationals and $40,000 to the Liberal Party, marking it as one of the biggest political donors in the nation.
Rex spokeswoman Alicia Chapple refused to comment yesterday when asked why the airline had made the donations, whether they were related to the Pel Air investigation, or whether Rex welcomed the reopening of that investigation.
The donations have raised additional question marks because Rex has repeatedly described the airline industry as being in crisis, stating it was “beyond crisis”, and highlighting the “graveyard” of collapsed rivals in its last annual report.
It was unclear why it had donated $250,000 to the federal ALP when shortly afterwards, ahead of the 2013 federal election, the group warned the aviation industry would struggle if the ALP were re-elected.
While the story has been circulated today to an apparently select group of recipients, it may have been first published late last year.

However when stories by Mr Klan are searched for they lead to this page, which is a mixture of old and recent, none by Mr Klan, although further adventures with Google turned up this article, about political and community donations by Rex and its failed competitor in Queensland, Skytrans, dated yesterday 19 January and quoting the same figures for Rex donations as the invisible hard to find story shared on Google+.

(Finding what you really want on The Australian’s cutting edge website is journalism’s equivalent to searching the southern Indian Ocean for MH370. You just know it’s there, somewhere.)

Should we be able to find it, any subsequent Rex response to the story about its generosity to a Labor party which was hell bent on driving rural aviation into ruin together with the live beef export industry will of course be published here.

In the meantime, and that could be a long time, let’s assume that this astonishing outbreak of political generosity was just a brain fade on the part of the airline, or that a data input error turned $2.50 into $250,000.
Looks like your not the only one having probs Frank...

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Old 19th Jan 2015, 22:35
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"LISTED airline Rex has been unable to explain why it made unprecedented, massive donations to political parties two years ago, at the same time as an investigation into the crash of one of its aircraft was being conducted".

The Asian owners of Pel Air were simply applying long held Asian business principles to make a problem go away.

Whats wrong with that??

Same principles apply here, except the payment is generally after the event not during or before, that way its not defined as corruption.

For example:

Some conspiracy theorists believe that the Murkey Macevillian conspired with a certain Mc Bank to buy up all the GA secondary airports.

Very careful leases were arranged so that additional funds did not have to be allocated for things like state stamp duty, or pesky state EPA approvals.

Little bits and pieces could be hived off to ease the burden of running costs while getting rid of the GA industry so the whole airports could be subdivided, releasing the $$$$'s to enable distribution to everyone involved retirement plans.

The Macevillian then installed a screaming Skull as CEO of a regulator with the prime directive to wipe out GA, in return he would receive a place in a Sociopaths Nivana, chairmanship of a large International institution.

Aww, come on guys, more plausible than some of the M370 theories!!
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Old 19th Jan 2015, 23:33
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I'm having trouble locating Anthony Klan's story via other links. I'm not a subscriber to The Australian. Looked for a link with the "twitterati" and no luck either. Has the story been "pulled"?
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Old 20th Jan 2015, 09:21
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And remember, Mr. Bartsch is an AAT member.
Hmmmm indeed he is. And I really can't see a level of independence in that. Blurred lines ring a bell? Then again isnt Trevor Danos a Board Member of CASA while also a Director in Brisbane Airport Corporation?
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Old 20th Jan 2015, 18:24
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Thumbs down

Oh dear me, has somebody had their toes trodden on or their ears tweaked then.

Previously threads have been canned for much less. Especially when they expose a raw nerve.

Oh well, the expectation is realised again.

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Old 20th Jan 2015, 20:45
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Why does it matter so much to you Kharon? If it is so damn important to you start your own website and moderate to your hearts content, or head over to UITA's website and post on that.

But apparently – the thread is 'boring', irrelevant, a two man show that no one cares about and is 'static'. I've heard some fine fairy stories in my time, even twiddled a few myself; but the PPRuNe fairy story takes the biscuit. Top marks PPRuNe. Bravo. A total of 1,400,000 views over the two threads parlayed into "Click", you must be so proud....
Not apparently, it was! I think the Mods indulged you for a long time. At least Sarcs put new info up but the constant banter of "choccy frog for you" and "top post K" was as stomach churning as watching an Oprah show with Tom Cruise as the guest.

As to the number of views for all we know that could have been you viewing 11,000 times a week. If you want to see some impressive viewing numbers have a look at the R&N threads on Air Asia AF447 etc.

If you feel your literary or investigative journalistic skills have been stymied well write a book or start your own blog and call it "K Talking". You never know I might even subscribe to it.
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Old 20th Jan 2015, 22:27
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The many hats of Mr Bartsch

While on the subject of Mr Bartsch it would seem that he also wears another hat as the Chairman of UAS International.

In this MMSM Steve article - Expert questions CASA regulatory powers over drones - RB points out yet another elephant in the room that the Miniscule & Skates are going to have to deal with real soon... :
THE Civil Aviation Safety Authority’s ability to regulate drones has been called into ­question by a leading aviation legal expert who says his findings raise privacy and security issues.

UAS International chairman Ron Bartsch is publishing a thesis arguing that the ability to place electronic limits on drones could make some CASA rules restricting their use invalid under the constitution.

CASA rules prohibit drones that do not have the proper approval from flying above 400ft (122m) over populated areas, within 30m of a building or car or within 5.5km of an aerodrome or landing site. Other rules include that they operate during the day and in visual line of sight.

But Mr Bartsch contends that constitutional limitations on the federal government’s ability to regulate aviation mean unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) equipped with “electronic fences or g-gates” that prevent them flying beyond a predefined height, or impose geographic restrictions, may be beyond CASA’s ­regulations.

“It’s really going to cause a bit of a headache,’’ he said.

“And it’s not something that anybody’s really considered at this stage. It’s going to be extremely contentious.’’

The problem for CASA is that a UAV incapable of flying into navigable airspace — usually above 400ft — does not “commingle’’ with other interstate and international aircraft.

Mr Bartsch said aviation was not mentioned in the constitution and the government relied on heads of power covering international or interstate trade, as well as those covering international obligations such as aviation’s ­Chicago Convention, to make ­national laws. Commingling was first introduced in the US in the 1920s. It was first considered in Australia in 1936 in the prosecution of Henry Goya Henry after his flight under Sydney ­Harbour Bridge.

It became an accepted legal position endorsed by the High Court in the 1965 Airlines of NSW case, which found intrastate aviation could be federally regulated if it affected interstate or international aviation. This meant federal authorities controlled all aspects of aviation in navigable airspace, Mr Bartsch said.

But there are still limitations on issues not covered by the International Civil Aviation Organisation, such as insurance, which require the states to pass mirror legislation to cover purely intrastate flights.

Without this, Mr Bartsch said, CASA would be unable to regulate a drone incapable of ascending into navigable airspace but still capable of flying below it.

“This is going to open a real Pandora’s box, particularly for human rights groups and for privacy and security issues,’’ he said.

“It means that people can buy a UAV and if it’s a type that’s not capable of flying (in navigable airspace) ... then CASA or the federal government will not have the ability to control it.’’
Apparently this thread is also slated for closure....so if this happens to be my last post on here..choke..sob.....it's been fun...

Hmm...maybe I won't be back??
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Old 21st Jan 2015, 09:56
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LOOK where?

Lefty, darling, you are such an total tosser.... Fair dinkum, for a poster with so little to contribute, except to snipe at your peers and getting booffed (often) off professional threads for talking bollocks. Your sad plight just makes me clough, clough, clough. Snipe away mate, hope you and your mate 'Tidy Bin Laden with self righteousness' (please tell me you're not holding hands in the moonlight and sharing a toothbrush) enjoy a phyric, short lived victory. 1.4 million readers at the last (all up) count will wait a while, Twitter is coming to this lazy, apathetic deceitful backwater. Soon: you may count on it.

L& K "K".

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Old 21st Jan 2015, 10:09
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Hmmmm

In the context of the various threads relating to various Parliamentary inquiries into the activities of the aviation regulator and accident investigator, and the actual responses in the wake of those inquiries, I think you'll find that Lookleft's and my predictions have been more consistently accurate than any other contributors.

I do hope, K, that you're not mistaking accurate predictions for earnest endorsements.
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Old 21st Jan 2015, 10:39
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Hell hath no fury like a Kharon spawned eh. Lashing out all over the place Kharon, I noticed your spray on against HLB. I really hope that you are not in command of anything bigger than a pedal car at the moment because your meltdown is clear for all to see. As I said start your own blog and see how popular you are.
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Creamy, with great respect and even a modicum of affection; thank you. It's all a little too late; I will for the sake of 'gentlemanly' conduct – back off. Quite a long way; and, let the gutless, apathetic PPRuNe warriors continue on their merry way to discussing pens for MR, the endless, tedious discussion of changing their agreed terns and conditions for earning a living (after having paid for the privilege), silly rants about Qantas which can never be changed; the pointless ramblings about taxi's at Bankstown while the airport is stolen under their feet. In fact, - Ah, forget it.

The Senate inquiry into the total fiasco that was Pel-Air is slipping away; the Forsyth review is being rendered nugatory as we speak; the Canadian report just so much paperwork. I am no longer certain that the 'industry' can even think for itself let alone operate without Mamma CASA holding it's hand.

PPRuNe used to have a voice - no longer. I ain't quit (unless barred) but a rethink and the use of a truly international audience requires some thought. PPRuNe numbers just don't signify (or seem to matter) when the chips are down. It is a great shame that I must spend even a part of RDO attempting to keep the Senate and it's first class work in front of an industry audience which is part terrified, part brainwashed, part plain dopey: but there it sits.

LL aka TBL again with little to contribute, why not talk to the other 'big iron' drivers' - they all seem to love your wit, insight and advice. Want the post numbers and links? course not. Tip - Toss pot 2/- each way in the third at the local track.

Selah & Toot 'em: – toot 'em all.

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Old 21st Jan 2015, 11:02
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Honestly I have read a lot of crap but this self-serving, purile pile of hubris takes the cake.

PPRuNe used to have a voice - no longer.
If you're the Voice you simply don't understand it (sorry JF)! The Mods call time on the ramblings of someone who loves the sound of their own keyboard and he gets the huffs and behaves just like the very people he accuses of bullying the industry. If you were the shining light of the industry then turn them off as you slam the door shut. I'm sure the rest of us can make do with the emergency generator.
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Old 21st Jan 2015, 11:33
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OH!

What is that word - oh yes.

Boll

Look Left is a puzzle, now dress to left, (if ya got one) = simple explantion....
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