Third airport for Melbourne ?
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Third airport for Melbourne ?
I just saw a brief article in the Herald Sun about a possible
third airport in Melbourne for domestic flights and they
mentioned Tyabb and Koo Wee Rup.
As well as saying it is only 1 hour from Melbourne
I was surprised at this. Do we really need a third airport
in the south east ?
third airport in Melbourne for domestic flights and they
mentioned Tyabb and Koo Wee Rup.
As well as saying it is only 1 hour from Melbourne
I was surprised at this. Do we really need a third airport
in the south east ?
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Didn't that article come out a few months ago?
I remember reading (back in the late 90's) that the Geographical centre of Melbourne's population was in the vicinity of Glen Waverley. Since then there has been massive growth in the Western suburbs and in the northern suburbs, but I doubt that the "centre" has moved by more than a few kilometres.
Using that logic as a stand-alone, there would probably be a case for locating an airport in the south east (Not sure about that far south east though).
The cost-benefits would be doubtful, considering that you're only really talking about regional flights and flights to Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.
IMHO, developing Moorabbin airport so that it could take something like a Dash8-400 would be a better idea. A Q400 has a ML-SY flight time of around 75 minutes in nil wind and when you consider parking costs, commuting distance to the airport, etc, it would be a no-brainer for anyone living south of, say, Brighton.
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P.S. EDIT: The above comments re: YMMB notwithstanding NIMBY noise issues, developmental costs, training impacts, etc, that have been covered ad-nauseam in other threads.
I remember reading (back in the late 90's) that the Geographical centre of Melbourne's population was in the vicinity of Glen Waverley. Since then there has been massive growth in the Western suburbs and in the northern suburbs, but I doubt that the "centre" has moved by more than a few kilometres.
Using that logic as a stand-alone, there would probably be a case for locating an airport in the south east (Not sure about that far south east though).
The cost-benefits would be doubtful, considering that you're only really talking about regional flights and flights to Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.
IMHO, developing Moorabbin airport so that it could take something like a Dash8-400 would be a better idea. A Q400 has a ML-SY flight time of around 75 minutes in nil wind and when you consider parking costs, commuting distance to the airport, etc, it would be a no-brainer for anyone living south of, say, Brighton.
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P.S. EDIT: The above comments re: YMMB notwithstanding NIMBY noise issues, developmental costs, training impacts, etc, that have been covered ad-nauseam in other threads.
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I must have missed it if it did come out a few months ago.
Yes, the centre of Melb is about Glen Waverley.
I understand concerns re Tulla but Avalon, straight through run
on a freeway to Dandenong and beyond except at peak hour
doesn't take long at all.
But that is my view.
Yes, the centre of Melb is about Glen Waverley.
I understand concerns re Tulla but Avalon, straight through run
on a freeway to Dandenong and beyond except at peak hour
doesn't take long at all.
But that is my view.
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It would be better to spend the money on a direct rail link to Avalon and Tulla IMHO. Many other major airports around the world has this, Sydney, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok, Beijing to name a few.
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Agree. Tulla desperately needs a rail line of some sort.
Avalon has a train station not far away, just needs a decent
shuttle bus to and from it.
Avalon has a train station not far away, just needs a decent
shuttle bus to and from it.
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Yes, a rail line to Tullamarine is essential.
Unfortunately the (Greek) taxi license owners will never let this happen and they are one part of the community that have a disproportionate political influence.
The rail line thru Sydney airport is a great and seamless service.
Unfortunately the (Greek) taxi license owners will never let this happen and they are one part of the community that have a disproportionate political influence.
The rail line thru Sydney airport is a great and seamless service.
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I see the owners of Melb airport are going to be building
another multi story car park.
So IMHO, less chance of rail.
another multi story car park.
So IMHO, less chance of rail.
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Considering how long it takes to get things done in this country, planning a third Airport for Melbourne probably should start now.
It will take 30-40 years to start turning dirt and by that time Melbourne's population will be far greater than Sydney's.
When was the Badgery's Creek site bought??
It will take 30-40 years to start turning dirt and by that time Melbourne's population will be far greater than Sydney's.
When was the Badgery's Creek site bought??
"-438" that sums it up well as it takes so long for the waring unions, the political hot potato this subject causes amongst the so called 'leaders' of this corrupt country & the tree hugging greenie's all fighting their own reasons as to why & why not that another drome of any use in this country would take longer than we have had white settlement here!
The taxi industry would kick up one hell of a stink having any sort of public transport heading out to Tulla.
We simply have to invent a better way to transport the masses around this wide open land if we are gunna continue to be the most backward thinking country in the western world, planes & all the associated infrastructure to support them are fast becoming like our roads, cactus!
I heard also recently that the Govt here in Vic are looking at halting the urban sprawl as it's really creating ghetto's of dis-functional sections in our society none of this helps this pie-in-the-sky hair-brain scheme of another drome!.
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The taxi industry would kick up one hell of a stink having any sort of public transport heading out to Tulla.
We simply have to invent a better way to transport the masses around this wide open land if we are gunna continue to be the most backward thinking country in the western world, planes & all the associated infrastructure to support them are fast becoming like our roads, cactus!
I heard also recently that the Govt here in Vic are looking at halting the urban sprawl as it's really creating ghetto's of dis-functional sections in our society none of this helps this pie-in-the-sky hair-brain scheme of another drome!.
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Good point.
Koo Wee Rup probably isn't a bad sight,
close to the bay, Freeway.
Be interesting to see the NIMBY replies
to the local newspapers this week.
Koo Wee Rup probably isn't a bad sight,
close to the bay, Freeway.
Be interesting to see the NIMBY replies
to the local newspapers this week.
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Melbourne was full of airports ontop of those already mentioned. Many aircraft were built & test flown there during WW2.
Laverton has gone, "Mumbai Cook" still there but down-sized, Essendon tapping along nicely with plenty of work while Avalon is looking bright: Libs (Sarah Henderson) have pushed through approval for an International Terminal at Avalon, additional to what's already there, plus a train station. The train/rail connection is a winner not only for pax but for freight & fresh produce, given it also sits on the "National Guage" line as well. Expect more hire car services etc their too. There is good interest from International pax & freight ops already.
Pity Melbourne's recently completed International Terminal expansion is already grid locked at certain times of the day, as demand is definitely there.
Laverton has gone, "Mumbai Cook" still there but down-sized, Essendon tapping along nicely with plenty of work while Avalon is looking bright: Libs (Sarah Henderson) have pushed through approval for an International Terminal at Avalon, additional to what's already there, plus a train station. The train/rail connection is a winner not only for pax but for freight & fresh produce, given it also sits on the "National Guage" line as well. Expect more hire car services etc their too. There is good interest from International pax & freight ops already.
Pity Melbourne's recently completed International Terminal expansion is already grid locked at certain times of the day, as demand is definitely there.
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I dunno, 30 years to make a yay-nay decision (Badgery's Creek), not bad really, up there with worlds best practice. Should be up and running by what? 2045?
Going on that Melbourne's 3rd airport should be up by 2065?
Australia, the infrastructure kings! Leading the way
Going on that Melbourne's 3rd airport should be up by 2065?
Australia, the infrastructure kings! Leading the way
Hey guys what is this infrastructure you speak of??............
We've barely learnt how to understand how the traditional owners of Oz lived & survived in this harsh country with zero infrastructure (much like what we have now!) never lone make it workable for today's so called modern society!
...............in 200+ yrs we ain't come to far!
The next Ice Age is looking promising!:-)
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We've barely learnt how to understand how the traditional owners of Oz lived & survived in this harsh country with zero infrastructure (much like what we have now!) never lone make it workable for today's so called modern society!
...............in 200+ yrs we ain't come to far!
The next Ice Age is looking promising!:-)
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The 'third' airport for Melbourne, to the SE of the metropolitan area, places it in the Koo Wee Rup and Lang Lang region. It was actually planned about twenty five years ago but then dropped. An ideal area as it is so flat but will be subject to fog at certain times, so Cat 3 is essential as a starter.
My problem is that our rifle club is at Lang Lang, has great history, goes back at least 110 years, has Permissive Occupancy in Perpetuity, from the Commonwealth, subject to there being an active rifle club on site, it has been continuously active since 1923, resurrected after the First World War, so if they try to close that down there will be blood all over the floor.
But the deal could be that they have to build us a brand new range of equal facility!
My problem is that our rifle club is at Lang Lang, has great history, goes back at least 110 years, has Permissive Occupancy in Perpetuity, from the Commonwealth, subject to there being an active rifle club on site, it has been continuously active since 1923, resurrected after the First World War, so if they try to close that down there will be blood all over the floor.
But the deal could be that they have to build us a brand new range of equal facility!
My problem is that our rifle club is at Lang Lang, has great history, goes back at least 110 years
