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Old 21st Mar 2014, 03:44
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VR's from Brisbane Base Maintenance

Steve,

Does the ALAEA include Brisbane Base Maintenance in the statement:

We have advised Qantas that they can release any employee who has requested to leave voluntarily at their leisure.
I understand that Qantas regards Brisbane Base Maintenance as a "Growth Port" but, although I don't know officially, I do know there are a number of guys at BNE BM that have spoken of wanting a VR.

Will the ALAEA be asking Qantas to open up VR's in BNE BM?

I guess from Qantas' perspective, they would need to backfill any VR's from BNE BM with other LAME's within the network that have the required licences.

Do you think there would be any LAME's around the network that would be prepared to move into BNE BM to avoid being made redundant?

If not, there are a number of AME's with their B1/B2 diplomas ready for type training. There are even some AME's with a CASA licence already, just waiting for a slot to be made up into LAME's.

Perhaps these guys could be made up and the AME position they leave vacant could be backfilled by another AME from around the network?
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 04:34
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Cool b1 think u'll find the international has been losing staff since the sq contract was lost (20guys) followed by the vr due cut of contracts ( under tony green) and every year basically since. There's minimal older guys left
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 09:00
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Yes to all questions mate.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 09:43
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Thanks Steve.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 20:03
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The word from ASU reps is that as each new EBA is negotiated, redundancy will be capped at 40wks pay! All part of Mister-rabbit's "get your house in order" mandate for the Libs to push the QSA changes through.

Add that to AJ's "total wage freeze" until the company makes money again (never) and our T&Cs are screwed!
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 03:38
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Good Point CoolBanana

I'm sure a few guys will put there hand up for VR from the Terminals if they find out they are being sent to base , hope to find out before 2nd April .
The new EBA's look like ****
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 07:28
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If you want to leave QF with a golden handshake, now is the time to go. This will be the last round under current redundancy entitlements. After our current Workplace Determination expires, you can bet your left nut, redundancy entitlements will be capped under the new Enterprise Agreement, in line with industry standards. Take a look at the redundancy entitlements in the Virgin and Jetstar EAs if you want to know where we are headed. Our redundancy entitlement is the first benefit AJ wants to erode and our misogynist national leader will be doing all he can to help make that happen, mark my words.

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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 07:39
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our misogynist national leader will be doing all he can to help make that happen, mark my words.
Just as a matter of interest, did you by chance vote for this guy last election?
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 09:19
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What info do you have on QF plans to limit redundancy payouts in the future. That will be one of the most important factors for the majority who are teetering on the brink of an EOI.
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Its a massive factor lamem.. We all know to well that some of the members getting massive payout figures are still umming and arring.... "just another 18 months to 2 years would be nice" Its a double edged sword unfortunately.. on one side if it happens some of the younger guys jobs might be saved.. on the other side any future redundancies will place people in worse position financially. Personally I think its a bit greedy staying around for an extra couple of years when you can walk out now with a nice handshake.
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And then there's the guys who wait until after their 65th birthday and pay the full whack of tax on their redundancy. I know of one guy that's done just that to reach a years of service "milestone".
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Old 25th Mar 2014, 01:51
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Look they can't change your redundancy entitlements with current laws in place unless we sign a new EBA with lower payouts. I am tipping the blokes wouldn't support that.


Qantas could apply for a variation to the WD but it would unlikely be supported by FWA, in fact we are not aware of any company in the country reducing the payout entitlements within an EBA without mutual consent.
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Old 25th Mar 2014, 03:39
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Once the QSA amendments go through, our bargaining position doesn't look too good. It will be a case of consent or we'll outsource you all!
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 03:32
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they can't change your redundancy entitlements with current laws in place...
I'm playing devil's advocate here...

What if a max redundancy payout of 40 weeks is passed into legislation? The company has no choice but to implement it into all EBAs.

The next election can be held some time between 6 Aug & 7 Jan 2016, as early as two-and-a-half years from now, barring a double dissolution election, for which there are several potential triggers like abolishing the mining tax, so it could theoretically happen even sooner.

Single term Federal governments are extremely rare in the last 60 years and to topple this Govt it would need a stronger Opposition than this one, which had one of the biggest swings in history against it at the last election. And given the current talent pool in the Labor Opposition, playing with what's left of the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd "C" team, they couldn't run a chook raffle or fight their way out of a wet paper bag. I reckon the Govt can afford to lose some skin in the next election and the agenda will be brutal for the labour movement.

I expect that the next EA negotiation is going to be tortuous given the company's position on wage freezes. As tortuous as EBAVIII perhaps? Will the Coalition tip their hand to some leading corporates with IR issues about their second term IR agenda? Will QF use delaying tactics in the hope of legislative change? Will the ALAEA be forced to play a short game to get a deal stitched up and accept lower conditions to avoid the threat of even worse?

The Coalition Govt have stated a "no surprises" first three years - but in their first 6 months we've already seen a couple: the attempt to wind back financial advice laws and weaken the Racial Discrimination Act. How many more surprises will there be, especially with the Coalition's announced focus on culling "unnecessary" legislation?

Abbott has ruled out a GST increase and IR change in the first term, but he is sitting back and letting others do the advocating for him to convince the public of the need for both - both within the party and outside it. And what is happening at Holden, Qantas, SPC, Toyota etc - ie the constant talk of "higher labour rates and overly geneous T&Cs" - is playing right into his hands.

For those wanting "just another couple of years", they should be thinking a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush... I would be having a good long hard think about taking the money while it is there. If as is likely there is a wage freeze then the redundancy payout does not significantly increase outside of super. If the max redundancy payout of 40 weeks comes to pass, then those currently sitting on or close to the max redundancy may be working for worse than nothing over the next couple of years. What is the potential loss of half your ETP worth to you? And by going now you may just save the job of someone who REALLY REALLY needs to stay afloat for the sake of his young family.

Just my two bobs worth...
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Old 27th Mar 2014, 09:02
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Inevitably, greed will end in regret for some.
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Arise, Sir Prolapsed, you do you're country well!
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Old 27th Mar 2014, 23:04
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Arise, Sir Prolapsed, you do you're country well!
Like I said, I'm playing devils advocate. Don't get me wrong, I do NOT support what I see occurring on the political landscape. The whole knights and dames thing is just a sign of how backwardly ideologically far-right this PM's instincts are. And every govt despite its best endeavours is influenced by its leaders views. Not even John Howard tried to pull some of the sh!t Abbott is trying on.

I'm just being a realist and trying to put things in perspective for those teetering on the "I'd like to stay but don't really need to stay" edge.
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Prolapse, it just seems like more fall out from the Deutschemark Conspiracy. And so it goes....
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on one side if it happens some of the younger guys jobs might be saved.. on the other side any future redundancies will place people in worse position financially. Personally I think its a bit greedy staying around for an extra couple of years when you can walk out now with a nice handshake.
Whilst I will not comment personally on the reasons some long timers are hanging on, maybe the company would be considerate enough to build an employment list of those made redundant so that they may be offered a position immediately when labor requirements pick-up or if a position opens (anywhere within the Qf group & subsids). It would be good to see this happen so those effected have some hope of rejoining the industry rather than employing fresh blood, or ramping up an apprenticeship scheme again for future employees with little future ahead.
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I do NOT support what I see occurring on the political landscape
PA (nice name) I share in your POV. Big business and the LNP creating artificial crises to fast track their right wing ideologies whilst blaming labour costs and unionism. It all stinks.

Unfortunately, both AJ and the Libs have made it glaringly obvious their agendas and many of us will have to bear the pain until some rationale is restored.

Just watching our latest ordained Knight receive his accolades. His time on the QF Board was very conveniently omitted. Hope he achieves more in his more ceremonial endeavours.

Great work Steve in challenging the redundo numbers. keep up the good work. To them - its just a numbers game.
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