QF 767 slide deployment Perth 10/7
Sorry but the first comment by blueloo said "a CSM popped a slide before the aerobridge approached". Based on that statement and my personal observations of cabin crew on 737's opening the door from the inside I incorrectly assumed Qantas procedure was for the crew inside to open the doors....
Hence my comment regarding opening from the outside a better option.
I realise the 737 will not disarm the door by opening from the outside as it needs the crew to physically remove the girt bar on the floor...( old style!! )
Hence my comment regarding opening from the outside a better option.
I realise the 737 will not disarm the door by opening from the outside as it needs the crew to physically remove the girt bar on the floor...( old style!! )
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IIRC it was so CC would take responsibility for their own doors. Perception was they were relying on the cross checkers too much.
That's it. From now on I won't check the other guy's QNH any more. He needs to learn to be responsible for his own altimeter.
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KEG
I really do enjoy your posts and the information you have given over the 4000+ post but do so many have to inform/repeat to us your Company, career, rank, hours, DOB....blah blah.
We get it, your a QF B767 Captain as your profile states already. When things changed v's your rank at the time is for you to think about as I'm not sure it is relevant.
Were you also Cabin Crew, CSS then CSM pre 1994 ?
Agreed, most likely a brain fart. Simple.
FFRATS
It's not been 20 years as Roo has suggested. It came in after I joined and that was 18 years ago. My gut says it changed after I became an F/O and so that makes it sometime in the last 15ish years.
We get it, your a QF B767 Captain as your profile states already. When things changed v's your rank at the time is for you to think about as I'm not sure it is relevant.
Were you also Cabin Crew, CSS then CSM pre 1994 ?
Agreed, most likely a brain fart. Simple.
FFRATS
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Re-read, I do enjoy post's just must SO many relate to rank and company etc.
Just distracts from information given and looks to me as irrelevant excess.
Could have said "Must have been about 15 years ago."
Username here/nitpicker330, you are precious considering many other posters constant attack's.
Sorry to side track, back on topic
FFRATS
Just distracts from information given and looks to me as irrelevant excess.
Could have said "Must have been about 15 years ago."
Username here/nitpicker330, you are precious considering many other posters constant attack's.
Sorry to side track, back on topic
FFRATS
ASY68:-----Not correct, its not an armament pin!! On the A330 the red "remove before flight" streamer and attached pin is used to stop the arming system lever being placed in armed by mistake. The crew remove and stow the pin THEN arm the door.
So after landing they disarm the door THEN place the pin and attached red streamer back in place to ensure it is disarmed and the arming lever cannot be moved by mistake.
I think the A320 would be the same surely??
So after landing they disarm the door THEN place the pin and attached red streamer back in place to ensure it is disarmed and the arming lever cannot be moved by mistake.
I think the A320 would be the same surely??
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GAFA,
My mistake. FYI, the 135/145 doesn't have slides.
Dash42,
You must be talking about the Emb135/145. If not then back to the Emb170/190 books for you as the first movement of the external handle on the 170/190 disarms the door.
You must be talking about the Emb135/145. If not then back to the Emb170/190 books for you as the first movement of the external handle on the 170/190 disarms the door.
nitpicker330
Correct.
I think the A320 would be the same surely??
A320/321 FCOM Gen
When the slide arming lever is in the ARMED position, the slide is connected to the floor brackets on both sides of the door. When the door is opened, the slide inflates and deploys automatically. If the inflation bottle fails to discharge automatically, a crew member can open its valve to make it perform
its function. Opening the door from the outside disarms the door and the escape slide.
When the slide arming lever is in the ARMED position, the slide is connected to the floor brackets on both sides of the door. When the door is opened, the slide inflates and deploys automatically. If the inflation bottle fails to discharge automatically, a crew member can open its valve to make it perform
its function. Opening the door from the outside disarms the door and the escape slide.
Nunc est bibendum
FFRATS, I provide the time frame as some sort of reference. We're I to say, nope, it wasn't 20 years ago it was less than 15, I have no other time stamp to back it up. We're I to say that I recall the change, I'm pretty sure it happened after F/O promotion and I know that time stamp then that gives the time stamp a frame of reference.
Certainly not intending it to blow my own trumpet but I also don't presume that. Just because some here may know my background, I don't expect everyone to know, care or even remember it.
Anyway, as penance for my deeds in providing a time stamp where i thought it appropriate but others didn't I'll now say 'girt bar' 17 times to keep 004wercras happy.
Much worse. Ex cadet. 
Certainly not intending it to blow my own trumpet but I also don't presume that. Just because some here may know my background, I don't expect everyone to know, care or even remember it.
Anyway, as penance for my deeds in providing a time stamp where i thought it appropriate but others didn't I'll now say 'girt bar' 17 times to keep 004wercras happy.
Were you also Cabin Crew, CSS then CSM pre 1994 ?
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Fatigue ?
QF procedure is that doors on all aircraft are opened from the outside by groundstaff after receiving thumbs up.
My take on this is that the CSM/Purser rotated the door handle instead of disarming the door.
A new CSM/Purser(unfamiliarity) would not have spent any time at left one on any aircraft.
The person was either lacking in adequate training or fatigued.
There is a third option: The CSM/Purser asked a flight attendant to disarm the door.
The only sector on a 767 operated by international CC is SYD/HNL
My take on this is that the CSM/Purser rotated the door handle instead of disarming the door.
A new CSM/Purser(unfamiliarity) would not have spent any time at left one on any aircraft.
The person was either lacking in adequate training or fatigued.
There is a third option: The CSM/Purser asked a flight attendant to disarm the door.
The only sector on a 767 operated by international CC is SYD/HNL
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There are a lot of new CSM's in the Perth base...... My guess is they've been in the trainer doing EPS and their muscle memory is opening the door to perform an evacuation.
We're trained when disarming to remove the pin from the pouch FIRST, so it's in your hand and THEN disarm. Not the other way around. That way if you forget to disarm then you're holding the pin and that will trigger the action.
We're also trained to never, ever open the door..... Always ground staff.
Hence me thinking it must have been a muscle memory thing.
We're trained when disarming to remove the pin from the pouch FIRST, so it's in your hand and THEN disarm. Not the other way around. That way if you forget to disarm then you're holding the pin and that will trigger the action.
We're also trained to never, ever open the door..... Always ground staff.
Hence me thinking it must have been a muscle memory thing.
Not a Perth CSM....
Try again QueenBuzzzzz
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QueenBuzzzzz, there is no pin on the 767 aircraft.
Over-familiarity with 737s and cracking the door on arrival can pose a risk on the wide bodies if one isn't fully situationally aware. I am NOT saying this had anything to do with the incident in question, just something of which I am mindful after a prolonged stint on 737s.
Over-familiarity with 737s and cracking the door on arrival can pose a risk on the wide bodies if one isn't fully situationally aware. I am NOT saying this had anything to do with the incident in question, just something of which I am mindful after a prolonged stint on 737s.
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Cracking door on arrival on the 737 combined with tiredness and repeating on the 767 caused this I guess. That's why the bridge wasn't in, because its done as the aircraft comes to a stop...
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Yes, I know the 767 has no pin, I was just correcting an earlier post about the order we're trained to arm/disarm.
A girl I know armed her 767 door and then immediately went to open it on her supernumery flight. Luckily the CSS was keeping a close eye on her and intervened. She raised the lever about half way up. Lucky.
Sorry, that's why I speculated muscle memory for a new CSM.
Obviously way off.
A girl I know armed her 767 door and then immediately went to open it on her supernumery flight. Luckily the CSS was keeping a close eye on her and intervened. She raised the lever about half way up. Lucky.
Sorry, that's why I speculated muscle memory for a new CSM.
Obviously way off.