Qantas Sydney Redundancies Called Off... What about Avalon??
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The airline makes the decision whether they will supply training or not. As a union the best we can do is make sure the training is handed out fairly by asking those who have current quals to withold their application for the slots.
Management aren't offering training at Avalon. I'll repeat that, MANAGEMENT aren't offering training at Avalon. It is not your union that makes this decision.
Fighting for your future? Apart from the court cases that are currently running and constant meetings to try and convince Qantas to give Avalon more work (which they continue to refuse because they want you closed down). The press to highlight that they are sending more work offshore such as the Jetconnect 737 work.....
Yes, I remember now. We had 100,000 pamphlets printed last year to hand out at train stations to support HM in this country. We put out a notice seeking volunteers to help hand them out. Apart from our Reps, not one member responded and offered to dedicate one hour of his/her time to help out. There is only so much we can do mate in the court rooms and press, without the support of members we really are pushing ****e up hill.
Management aren't offering training at Avalon. I'll repeat that, MANAGEMENT aren't offering training at Avalon. It is not your union that makes this decision.
Fighting for your future? Apart from the court cases that are currently running and constant meetings to try and convince Qantas to give Avalon more work (which they continue to refuse because they want you closed down). The press to highlight that they are sending more work offshore such as the Jetconnect 737 work.....
Yes, I remember now. We had 100,000 pamphlets printed last year to hand out at train stations to support HM in this country. We put out a notice seeking volunteers to help hand them out. Apart from our Reps, not one member responded and offered to dedicate one hour of his/her time to help out. There is only so much we can do mate in the court rooms and press, without the support of members we really are pushing ****e up hill.
Long ago, I was a union member (unrelated industry), and I have seen the really ugly side of it, the one which exists to this very day, among the bottom feeders like the CFMEU, AWU, et al; I just won't be a part of it, and fear it returning to the industry I am currently in. The reps will say-"things are good now, but who will look after you when it turns bad?-" my answer? You certainly won't ,because you are powerless when the downsizing starts--you can't do a bloody thing except make meaningless noises for a TV camera.Steve and the union he represents, is, to me, a shining example of what a union should be-unaffiliated to any political party, there for the members and not just a career step into a safe seat in lower house or senate, able to negotiate a decent EBA,and offer support to individual members with work-related issues: but, when the proverbial goes through the prop, the redundancy clauses the union had written into that EBA is all you have. If the company wants to close their facility, they will do so.
The installation does not exist to provide you with a job, it provides a function for the company, and , particularly with the apparent attitudes of the current qantas management, all he can do is smooth the dying pillow if they want to close it. Unless, of course, an unparalleled show of support from ALL of the membership , and resulting media coverage, forces a company rethink.
Difficult to imagine it happening.
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Ranmar850...... Your attempt at sharing words of wisdom is to me and many of us who work in this Industry (and Union members) just another typical example of endless excuses about why Unions are a lost cause.
The CFMEU (one of your excuses for not being a union member) don't even operate in our Industry. Rather than throw stones....you, me and everyone else in our Industry should feel an obligation to do whatever we can to keep it alive. Not only for us, but for those who were proudly here before us and more importantly for the next generation which could include our sons and daughters.
Please spare us from another pointless soapbox episode of Raising the white flag and shouting "you can't do anything to stop it....it's all too late....too hard.....don't bother.....blame the Unions".
Unions don't always get it right, but we have too many amongst us that wouldn't hesitate to eat our own just to look after our own individual backsides. That's the cancer that's allowed us to become less effective and influential........not some boring repetitive excuse about Unions.
The CFMEU (one of your excuses for not being a union member) don't even operate in our Industry. Rather than throw stones....you, me and everyone else in our Industry should feel an obligation to do whatever we can to keep it alive. Not only for us, but for those who were proudly here before us and more importantly for the next generation which could include our sons and daughters.
Please spare us from another pointless soapbox episode of Raising the white flag and shouting "you can't do anything to stop it....it's all too late....too hard.....don't bother.....blame the Unions".
Unions don't always get it right, but we have too many amongst us that wouldn't hesitate to eat our own just to look after our own individual backsides. That's the cancer that's allowed us to become less effective and influential........not some boring repetitive excuse about Unions.
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How do you think CFMEU brings Grocon to the table? Sweet reason? The only thing that will get you anywhere is to credibly threaten Qantas profitability.
Since politicians on both sides of Parliament vie with each other to see how far they canclimb up the Qantas arse, you have very little hope. Then of course the Greens hate all airlines so they are no help.
You need to strike and make it stick and bugger FWA.
Since politicians on both sides of Parliament vie with each other to see how far they canclimb up the Qantas arse, you have very little hope. Then of course the Greens hate all airlines so they are no help.
You need to strike and make it stick and bugger FWA.
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Australian logistics division of Ford to make one thousand redundant. What does Julia do. Inject another twelve million into car manufacturing on top of the thirty six million Per annum.
QF and numerous aircraft maintenance facilities in AUZ making staff redundant, what does Julia do Sweet FA
Looking fwd to September Julia
QF and numerous aircraft maintenance facilities in AUZ making staff redundant, what does Julia do Sweet FA
Looking fwd to September Julia
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Griffin if you think the other mob will help out you are mistaken. I have also wondered at the sacred cow the auto industry appeared to be. Both sides of politics are guilty of propping up various car makers with billions and left aviation to rot both in a regulatory sense and the industry at large.
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SYD redundancies may be on hold for a while but lots of rumours of VRs still happening elsewhere and some even being refused. Anyone confirm or just rumours.
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Griffin,
I emailed my major fears re QF's future to my Federal MP last year.
After a week or so of no response I rang his office. Spoke with one of his staff who checked and confirmed that yes their office had indeed received my email.
Informed him that I'd had no response. Guess what? Never bothered to even acknowledge my email let alone respond to it.
He is a member of the Libs. Happy to post his name.
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I emailed my major fears re QF's future to my Federal MP last year.
After a week or so of no response I rang his office. Spoke with one of his staff who checked and confirmed that yes their office had indeed received my email.
Informed him that I'd had no response. Guess what? Never bothered to even acknowledge my email let alone respond to it.
He is a member of the Libs. Happy to post his name.
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Informed him that I'd had no response. Guess what? Never bothered to even acknowledge my email let alone respond to it.
So What this is a common Practice all over now Its wrong but what can you do .
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So What this is a common Practice all over now Its wrong but what can you do .
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I was supporting ampclamp's post that you wont do better with either side of the political fence when it comes to aviation.
I've had acknowledgments of my contact at the very least on other matters from elsewhere.
Not hard at all to send out a standard template "thank you very much for your email (even if I am going to now carefully place it in the round filing cabinet)". Even Pollies with limited skull juice know that totally ignoring communication from your constituents isnt a very smart ploy.
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I was supporting ampclamp's post that you wont do better with either side of the political fence when it comes to aviation.
I've had acknowledgments of my contact at the very least on other matters from elsewhere.
Not hard at all to send out a standard template "thank you very much for your email (even if I am going to now carefully place it in the round filing cabinet)". Even Pollies with limited skull juice know that totally ignoring communication from your constituents isnt a very smart ploy.
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That's ok according to Avalons Justin Giddings and todays Geelong Advertiser The Grand Plan for Avalon is Thousands of jobs around 2031 yes that's right 2031 ! So Don't Hold your Breath.
Its Over.
Its Over.
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All this Money for Ford workers is meaningless spin it will all go to Gov Employment services providers that's if it even really exists the Ford workers will get what Avalon workers got the address of the nearest Centrelink office who will fob them off onto an Employment service provider who the workers will find are next to useless .
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Forstaff Managers had a meeting off site in the the past week 2 topics were discussed more bad news & finding a way to bring in some people on short term contracts due to having sacked to many staff.
What a Debacle.
What a Debacle.
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Bad news/ short term contracts
Bad news, rumor has it, is that we have too many avionics staff.
Short term contracts, rumor has it, is we don't have enough structures staff.
Management looking for trade off. Overall numbers to stay the same but adjust avionics and structures numbers.
Short term contracts, rumor has it, is we don't have enough structures staff.
Management looking for trade off. Overall numbers to stay the same but adjust avionics and structures numbers.